Re: [android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-16 Thread Kostya Vasilyev
17.03.2011 0:07, Roger Podacter пишет: By default, a brand new android phone keeps an always-on data connection, and all the Google services are constantly talking via data in "push mode". The iPhone, or a symbian phone, do not initiate a data session unless you specifically do something like ope

[android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-16 Thread Roger Podacter
I argue that this issue is a fundamental trait of the way the android OS is written and operates. By default, a brand new android phone keeps an always-on data connection, and all the Google services are constantly talking via data in "push mode". The iPhone, or a symbian phone, do not initiate a d

[android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-16 Thread Pent
> Thanks for this post and these app recommendations. I've been saying > this for months, the reason android phone get such poor battery life > is due to the always on data connection and all the apps and services > constantly hitting data. Even the Google services alone, you have > gmail, calendar

Re: [android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-16 Thread Kostya Vasilyev
Do you really want Android Market application submissions to include some kind of testing and approval process? Perhaps they would check that the UI is sufficiently pretty, as well? And sometimes reject applications with explanations that seem unsatisfactory? Perhaps as well, Google should r

[android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-16 Thread Indicator Veritatis
But why would he develop it, when he has absolutely no guarantee of the necessary support from Google to get it deployed? This is exactly why Lorenz is right to suggest that this is something Google should do: because only Google is in the perfect marketing position to make sure the tool actually

Re: [android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-16 Thread Mark Murphy
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:35 AM, lorenz wrote: > If you're only considering methods available in the API you're probably > right. However, if you're the one writing an OS you're not restricted to > only use API calls ;-) Even thought I haven't spent too much time looking > around, there are a few

Re: [android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-16 Thread lorenz
If you're only considering methods available in the API you're probably right. However, if you're the one writing an OS you're not restricted to only use API calls ;-) Even thought I haven't spent too much time looking around, there are a few things I was thinking of: - Battery usage: There'

Re: [android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-16 Thread Mark Murphy
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:28 AM, lorenz wrote: > These are all things that I - as opposed to Google - do not have access to. > So, why should I invest time and effort into something that Google could > (and hopefully will) do in a way more effective way? I was referring to the "automatically test

Re: [android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-16 Thread lorenz
As I said, I thought about it. For an individual developer trying to introduce something like this I see the following problems: 1. It won't help the average user if the results of said engine cannot be integrated into the market application itself. Publishing them on a web page is not

Re: [android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-16 Thread Mark Murphy
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:17 AM, lorenz wrote: > Google really could do a much better job in automatically testing and rating > applications in regards to speed, battery usage, and force closes. You are cordially invited to develop an engine that performs "automatically testing and rating applica

[android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-16 Thread lorenz
I don't agree. While I agree with this not being an issue with Android in general, I do think this should adressed by Google using Google Market in some way. The reason why a lot of users prefer the iPhone to Android devices is that "everything is just easy" on IOS devices. People shouldn't hav

[android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-15 Thread Indicator Veritatis
Google did publish guidelines saying, in short, "don't poll too often: it kills battery life". Unfortunately, it didn't seem to occur to anyone at Google that the users are at the mercy of developers who ignore common-sense guidelines like this one. However, there is a company that has done someth

Re: [android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-15 Thread Mark Murphy
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Dan wrote: >> What would help is a screen built into the OS that would show traffic >> stats for individual applications (just like we have for battery use >> now). Not everyone's cellular plan has unlimited data. Perhaps we'll see >> something like this some day?

[android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-15 Thread Dan
> What would help is a screen built into the OS that would show traffic > stats for individual applications (just like we have for battery use > now). Not everyone's cellular plan has unlimited data. Perhaps we'll see > something like this some day? Again, not sure that's Google's problem. Write

[android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-15 Thread lbendlin
Data traffic itself is not the problem. Get used to it. It's a fact of life. The real problem is that most networks have crappy coverage. This causes the phone radio to have to try harder and spend (substantially) more wattage on the link. If we all had cell towers no more than 100 yards apart the

Re: [android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-15 Thread Justin Anderson
I agree with Dan... This isn't Google's problem. The developers should be more responsible, but Google shouldn't be imposing more restrictions. One of the reasons why Android is so much better than iPhone is its openness and ability to do more than the iPhone. I agree that battery life is a prob

Re: [android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-15 Thread Kostya Vasilyev
15.03.2011 18:52, Roger Podacter пишет: Put the iPhone next to the nexus one, iPhone only opens data when the user initiates it, like opening the web browser, then it immediately closes the connection. If you turn off the data connection on android, and only use it when you actually do something

Re: [android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-15 Thread Marcin Orlowski
On 15 March 2011 17:07, Unrealshade wrote: > Can't users just see what uses so much of their battery life by having > a look at the settings 'Battery use' and decide what they want to do > about it (like contacting a developer about it or tweaking the > settings of this app)? > I am afraid you

[android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-15 Thread Unrealshade
Can't users just see what uses so much of their battery life by having a look at the settings 'Battery use' and decide what they want to do about it (like contacting a developer about it or tweaking the settings of this app)? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G

[android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-15 Thread Roger Podacter
Thanks for this post and these app recommendations. I've been saying this for months, the reason android phone get such poor battery life is due to the always on data connection and all the apps and services constantly hitting data. Even the Google services alone, you have gmail, calendar, contacts

[android-developers] Re: Urgent and Alarming battery management problem. Google please do something about it.

2011-03-15 Thread Dan
> But don't just implement a fix on the next version of Android. Do it > now. Require this from developers. Actively talk to them. .. Why is this a google issue? It sounds like a prime opportunity for you actually. Start a web site, build a ranking of "battery killer" apps, develop a "B