Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Has this even been put to a vote or is it the same group of extremely vocal RIPE regulars against it and the same group of extremely vocal security types for it? Rough consensus has its limitations in such cases. From: anti-abuse-wg Date: Saturday, 9 May 2020 at 4:22 AM To: Nick Hilliard

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread Randy Bush
> It's ok for consensus to be that a policy proposal be rejected > entirely. but how many times? randy

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread Nick Hilliard
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg wrote on 08/05/2020 12:07: [Jordi] The job of the RIPE NCC is to implement the policies agreed by the community. Different folks may consider different pieces of all of our policies as "inappropriate" or "arbitrary" which is fine, mostly. Subject to usual

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread Ángel González Berdasco
On 08-05-2020 20:17 +0200, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > On Fri 08/May/2020 13:28:10 +0200 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > Hi Alessandro, > > > > As I've indicated already several times (and not just in this > > discussion), all the RIRs have forms or other methods to escalate > > any issues. > > >

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Fri 08/May/2020 13:28:10 +0200 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg wrote: > Hi Alessandro, > > As I've indicated already several times (and not just in this discussion), > all the RIRs have forms or other methods to escalate any issues. > > The proposal is only changing "let's have

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread Sergey Myasoedov via anti-abuse-wg
Dear Jordi, > There are existing procedures for that in extreme cases. I think it's now obvious that existing procedures does not work. -- Sergey Friday, May 8, 2020, 1:20:45 PM, you wrote: JPMvaaw> However, I fully understand that the community prefer to do things in different steps.

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Alessandro, As I've indicated already several times (and not just in this discussion), all the RIRs have forms or other methods to escalate any issues. The proposal is only changing "let's have stats". El 4/5/20 12:29, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Alessandro Vesely" escribió: Hi,

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
However, I fully understand that the community prefer to do things in different steps. We initially asked for the abuse mailbox. Then we added a technical validation. Now I'm asking for a better validations and make sure that the reporting is feasible. I'm not asking to verify if you handle

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
El 29/4/20 14:23, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Gert Doering" escribió: Hi, On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 01:44:42PM +0200, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg wrote: > >> Coming from the incident response side, I'm tiered of people constantly > >> telling me, that issues are not their

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
El 29/4/20 13:18, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Elad Cohen" escribió: What is this ? "However, the community should report any situation to the RIPE NCC, which can provide (anonymous) periodical statistics to the community, which can take further decisions about that." Ripe

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
El 29/4/20 4:25, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de No No" escribió: In relation to the policy, where it says: "must not force the sender to use a form." as someone that reports phishing websites, I find the use of forms helpful, as it ensures the company receives the report, particularly

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Nick, all, I was waiting a few days because I though it will be easier wait for most of the participants to be able to react and then try to summarize and respond to all the comments in a single email. I'm going to try to do it anyway with as fewer emails as I can. This means trying to

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Discussion Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-05-08 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
I fully agree with Gert here. The proposal is not trying to punish anyone, just to improve things, make sure that errors are discovered and corrected, and for that we need to have stats and tools. And this is why it was also removed from this version text that we had in previous versions

[anti-abuse-wg] @EXT: Europol Safety Guide for the "New Normal" after COVID-19

2020-05-08 Thread Marcolla, Sara Veronica
Dear Anti-Abuse WG readers, Over the course of the past 6 weeks Europol has been releasing on weekly basis new material relating to COVID-19, all is available in the Europol landing page: https://www.europol.europa.eu/staying-safe-during-covid-19-what-you-need-to-know and it gets published