On Sun 10/May/2020 04:43:30 +0200 No No wrote:
> /" A statement by the registrant that they are not willing to employ an abuse
> team would be the best evidence."/
> /
> /
> ... Followed by swift de-registration of all IP resources.
Bravo! Here you're touching the very essence of our disagreemen
All,
I think Randy has written this very clearly. That said, I am happy to discuss
the concepts, and why the RIPE Community cleaves to them, with people, either
on or off list.
The RIPE WGs, AA-WG included, have made policy and changed things over the
years through this method. It's not perfec
Colleagues,
We would greatly prefer not to be writing this email, but it felt more wrong
not to.
You will have noticed that Elad Cohen has continued to successfully send emails
to the list by creating new email addresses. This is, of course, easy,
especially if you are determined. It is also a
brian,
excuse my continuing to rant. if i write a long message, it can not be
good :) as with spam, you have a delete key.
i think we all dislike spam and other forms of network abuse. but this
is the only working group whose goal is negative, to stop something.
even the wg's name is composed
What Randy said applies in spades to the original strong community that the
Internet used to be.
Today and over the past several years we have -
1. Organisations evolving into or being taken over by corporations who are more
concerned with profit (keeping a bad customer despite pressure to the
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote on 11/05/2020 13:20:
I am not entirely sure the discussion has moved all that much in the
past decade beyond this exact point - how to pressure ripe to deal with
shady actors getting themselves LIR status or appropriating large legacy
netblocks belonging to defunct
Due diligence can be legally problematic but the consequences, sooner or later,
of not performing such due diligence are likely to be worse sooner or later.
A decade or so back, the discussion here was about handing out multiple /15s to
various LIRs who were populating them entirely with snowsho
El vie, 08-05-2020 a las 22:57 +0100, Nick Hilliard escribió:
> > I'm happy if you believe that my wording
> > is not good, and we agree on that goal, to find an alternative one.
> > Any suggestion?
>
> Firstly, if you propose to collect stats about anything, you need to
> think about what sort o
Weird. Forwarding a (redacted) offlist email that pointed out that the archive
URL I’d posted – which was dug out of my mailbox – is missing from the aawg
archive, along with the rest of the email from Jan 2011.
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Date: Monday, 11 May 2020 at 9:04 PM
That was from an
Ángel González Berdasco wrote on 11/05/2020 17:08:
These are not statistics about online abuse. These are statistics about
the contact information registered by RIPE being valid.
The statistics thing was something that was inserted into version 3 of
the proposal. It's hard to tell what the ex
On Sat, May 09, 2020 at 11:56:58AM +, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
In a case where the community is polarised to this extent it would be better to
break with procedure and call a vote for once. With member organizations
represented by their abuse team heads, rather than IP / routing peopl
> Suresh keeps attacking me without a single slightest proof, and hence
> I must respond.
a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.
-- bill
All I am asking is that cobblers stick to their last. People with backgrounds
in routing and networking are not necessarily the people in their organizations
that handle abuse issues.
Unless by extension you want your mailserver and spam filter people getting
enable on your routers, or you want
Hi,
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 05:23:43PM +, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> All I am asking is that cobblers stick to their last. People with backgrounds
> in routing and networking are not necessarily the people in their
> organizations that handle abuse issues.
>
> Unless by extension you w
> If this is about "do you want a mail address or a web form for
> reporting abuse?", no, routing and networking people do not really
> care much.
depends. will the bikeshed be magenta?
randy
Hi,
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:46:51AM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
> > If this is about "do you want a mail address or a web form for
> > reporting abuse?", no, routing and networking people do not really
> > care much.
>
> depends. will the bikeshed be magenta?
magenta bikesheds are only availabl
Precisely. But I wonder whether it is a greater problem to be packeted by a
bot with C2 in IP space that would have been better off not being allocated,
rather than being spammed or phished from there. And how much greater or
lesser any or all of those compared to the inconvenience routing and
Hi Suresh,
> All I am asking is that cobblers stick to their last. People with
> backgrounds in routing and networking are not necessarily the people
> in their organizations that handle abuse issues.
As I'm sure you're aware, the RIPE working groups are open to all
(regardless of any organisatio
Hi,
On Mon, 11 May 2020, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Precisely. But I wonder whether it is a greater problem to be packeted by a
bot with C2 in IP space that would have been better off not being allocated,
rather than being spammed
or phished from there. And how much greater or lesser
I am glad to hear that and of course that’s the case. But then I’m getting
called out for “encouraging” consensus, to the point where it invites
application of Godwin’s law, by crowding the room with people in support of the
proposal, if I call for participation from organisations’ abuse teams.
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