Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-07 Thread Gustaf Neumann
Jeff Rogers schrieb: One starting point I'd be willing to help on here is an openid client (since I've already started work on it). Hi Jeff, A few weeks ago i have made as well a small openid client (using OpenACS, but not integrated with OpenACS authorities, cookies, etc). git clone

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Stefan Sobernig
Tom, I still don't get what a serializer is. Is this one of those object system 'isms? Well, no ... it is not an *ism in the sense of "peculiar feature" of an object-based/oriented system. Streaming an in-memory state into a set of characters based on run-time introspection is not a trait

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Tom Jackson
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 09:57, Stefan Sobernig wrote: > Tom, > > >> Let me rephrase, it is not said that it is not compatible (nothing to do > >> with thread safety or anything in that direction), I am just saying that > >> it might need some integration work. By serialiser, I am referring to > >> t

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Stefan Sobernig
Tom, Let me rephrase, it is not said that it is not compatible (nothing to do with thread safety or anything in that direction), I am just saying that it might need some integration work. By serialiser, I am referring to the needed generation of the ns_ictl script in the aolserver driver thread.

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Tom Jackson
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 08:22, Stefan Sobernig wrote: > Let me rephrase, it is not said that it is not compatible (nothing to do > with thread safety or anything in that direction), I am just saying that > it might need some integration work. By serialiser, I am referring to > the needed generation

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Tom Jackson
Rusty, Yes, there is a start of a client, which downloads, and parses a WSDL file. But there are so many poorly defined services, and so many options which you could use in a web service, that it hasn't been a priority to create a generic client. Instead I'm leaning toward redefining an exter

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Stefan Sobernig
Besides, Web Services for Tcl is based upon the TclOO package by Donal K. Fellows which is not (besides other issues) multi-threading/ AOLServer compatible (no serializer etc.) huh? Where did you get that it is based on TclOO? TclOO isn't even out yet. My fault. The only and first time I stu

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Rusty Brooks
I don't need it as a server, I need it as a client. You mentioned something a bout being able to use the API to make a client? Rusty Tom Jackson wrote: Following up on my previous post about tWSDL... If you guys are actually using WSDL, please look at tWSDL. It functions very well as a serv

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Tom Jackson
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 07:17, Tom Jackson wrote: > I haven't found any other WSDL toolkit which can derive simple types from > XML-Schema types or easily create complexTypes where minOccurs > 1. Oops, I meant to say maxOccurs > 1. XML-Schema structural type serialization is complicated. To do it

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Tom Jackson
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 02:18, Stefan Sobernig wrote: > Besides, Web Services for Tcl is based upon the TclOO package by Donal > K. Fellows which is not (besides other issues) multi-threading/ > AOLServer compatible (no serializer etc.) Web Services for Tcl isn't based on TclOO and it doesn't have

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Brett Schwarz
> >>> In addition there is Web Services for Tcl: > >>> http://members.cox.net/~gerald.lester/WebServicesForTcl.html > >>> > >>> I have not used it at all, so I can't offer any opinion...however it does > >>> look like it uses tdom. > >> > >> Right Web Services for Tcl requires Tcl 8.5 and tclhttpd,

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Brett Schwarz
> > > - Original Message > From: Tom Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 11:46:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites." > > On Monday 05 May 2

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Stefan Sobernig
Bas, In addition there is Web Services for Tcl: http://members.cox.net/~gerald.lester/WebServicesForTcl.html I have not used it at all, so I can't offer any opinion...however it does look like it uses tdom. Right Web Services for Tcl requires Tcl 8.5 and tclhttpd, it doesn't work with AOLser

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-06 Thread Tom Jackson
On Monday 05 May 2008 22:58, Brett Schwarz wrote: > I don't think TclSOAP uses tdom, does it? That might explain any speed > problems. > > In addition there is Web Services for Tcl: > http://members.cox.net/~gerald.lester/WebServicesForTcl.html > > I have not used it at all, so I can't offer any op

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-05 Thread Brett Schwarz
uses tdom. - Original Message From: Rusty Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 8:04:10 PM Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites." I've used TclSoap. I wasn't like, impressed with it'

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-05 Thread Tom Jackson
Following up on my previous post about tWSDL... If you guys are actually using WSDL, please look at tWSDL. It functions very well as a server. But internally you can define/derive types as described in the XML-Schema types/structures standards. Once defined, you can create and validate types (i

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-05 Thread Tom Jackson
On Monday 05 May 2008 19:45, Bas Scheffers wrote: > On 06/05/2008, at 11:44 AM, Tom Jackson wrote: > > The main thing you need with a mashup is data. Without that, there > > is nothing > > to mash. > > And much of that data is in XML and tdom runs rings around any Java > XML implementation, though

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-05 Thread Rusty Brooks
I've used TclSoap. I wasn't like, impressed with it's speed but it seems OK. It seems quite behind the times, though, I did extensive modifications trying to get it to work with various WSDL files and in general it does not do a complete job, which is kind of frustrating, especially when integr

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-05 Thread Bas Scheffers
On 06/05/2008, at 11:44 AM, Tom Jackson wrote: The main thing you need with a mashup is data. Without that, there is nothing to mash. And much of that data is in XML and tdom runs rings around any Java XML implementation, though not sure about the ones in PHP, Perl, etc which are also likel

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-05 Thread Tom Jackson
On Monday 05 May 2008 14:29, Jeff Rogers wrote: > The wikipedia entry on mashups gives a better description (and > references!) than my blurb here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashup_%28web_application_hybrid%29 Right, there is nothing special about mashups. An AOLserver application could i

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-05 Thread Dave Bauer
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Jeff Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom Jackson wrote: > > > Wait, I thought mashups were simply http requests from javascript to > > update parts of a web page. You return either javascript, html or an xml > > document, which is probably a worthless option. >

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-05 Thread Jeff Rogers
Tom Jackson wrote: Wait, I thought mashups were simply http requests from javascript to update parts of a web page. You return either javascript, html or an xml document, which is probably a worthless option. Maybe I got this wrong, but AOLserver should be able to step into a mashup instantly

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-05 Thread Tom Jackson
Wait, I thought mashups were simply http requests from javascript to update parts of a web page. You return either javascript, html or an xml document, which is probably a worthless option. Maybe I got this wrong, but AOLserver should be able to step into a mashup instantly. tom jackson On

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-05 Thread Jeff Rogers
Dossy Shiobara wrote: Back in Feburary 2005, Dan Chak at MIT said something to me that I just haven't had the motivation to pursue. However, I really would like to hear what folks think of his statement: > What AOLServer "community" needs is a bunch of fun, free > applications for buil

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-04 Thread Matthew M. Burke
As some of you may have already read, I will be having a student work for me this summer on fixing up the nsgd module---pushing out a lot of changes I've made that have never seen the light of day, adding some new features, etc. I mention this because I can think of several fun things to do wi

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-03 Thread Thorpe Mayes
That is not a bad idea, provided you have some documentation prepared for AOLServer. It will not do anyone any good to have a fun, free application if they cannot figure out how to install the software. The documentation does not have to be absolutely comprehensive. How about this: how

Re: [AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-03 Thread Alex
As a matter of fact I am working on something somewhat similar to that to some degree :) Basing on my AOLServer experiences while making one of the sites (www.tolk-i-polza.ru if you ask, but you got to learn Russian to use it) I am trying to make a framework that might help newbies. 1) It shall b

[AOLSERVER] "Fun, free applications for building personal sites."

2008-05-03 Thread Dossy Shiobara
Back in Feburary 2005, Dan Chak at MIT said something to me that I just haven't had the motivation to pursue. However, I really would like to hear what folks think of his statement: > What AOLServer "community" needs is a bunch of fun, free > applications for building personal sites. It