[aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-05 Thread Scheffenegger, Richard
Hi, this is just a simple remainder that the WG will convene also this Friday; As the mechanism update presentations took quite a bit longer than we had expected - and we appreciate the discussion these presentations have sparked - we agreed with Fred to have his presentation as the first agend

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-06 Thread Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)
...@cisco.com); Naeem Khademi (nae...@ifi.uio.no) Subject: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B Hi, this is just a simple remainder that the WG will convene also this Friday; As the mechanism update presentations took quite a bit longer than we had expected - and we appreciate the discussion these

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-06 Thread David Ros
David > Thanks. > > -Original Message- > From: aqm-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:aqm-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Scheffenegger, Richard > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 5:02 PM > To: aqm@ietf.org > Cc: Fred Baker (fred) (f...@cisco.com); Naeem Khademi (nae...@ifi.uio.no)

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-07 Thread gorry
g > Cc: Fred Baker (fred) (f...@cisco.com); Naeem Khademi (nae...@ifi.uio.no) > Subject: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B > > Hi, > > this is just a simple remainder that the WG will convene also this Friday; > > As the mechanism update presentations took q

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-07 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Nov 7, 2013, at 8:59 AM, "Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)" wrote: > Hi All, > > Had some comments on Fred's document. I have added the comments as track > changes in a word document to easily see them. I used the 02 version. > > Thanks. Permit me to put your comments in email, along with my o

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-07 Thread gorry
Gorry - I added a few words to add to those from Fred, see in-line as [gf]. > > On Nov 7, 2013, at 8:59 AM, "Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)" > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Had some comments on Fred's document. I have added the comments as track >> changes in a word document to easily see them. I used the 0

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-07 Thread Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)
Fred, All, I am traveling today - so should respond by end of day. - Shahid. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2013, at 10:45 AM, "Fred Baker (fred)" wrote: > > On Nov 7, 2013, at 8:59 AM, "Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)" > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Had some comments on Fred's document. I have adde

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-07 Thread Naeem Khademi
Hi Snipping other stuff, I would like to add some specific points inline: On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > > On Nov 7, 2013, at 8:59 AM, "Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)" < > shahid.akh...@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > > >> 4. Conclusions and Recommendations > >> [snip] >

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-08 Thread Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)
Fred, I have taken the liberty to tie your comments to the e-mail list of comments I had sent and put a "FB" next to your comment. I have added "SA" next to my comments. This is easier for people to read. -Shahid. Section 4.3 - Manual tuni

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-08 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Nov 8, 2013, at 5:56 AM, "Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)" wrote: > One of the the objectives of newer AQMs being defined here should be to > minimize tuning, but we should recognize that likely tuning or some > configuration cannot be eliminated altogether. > > FB: That's an opinion. One of the

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-08 Thread Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)
Fred, all, Below is the recommneded text as requested. -Shahid. __ Manual Tuning Current text section 4: "The algorithms that the IETF recommends SHOULD NOT require operational (especially manual) configuration or tuning." section 4.3: "Algorith

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-08 Thread David Ros
On 8 nov. 2013, at 10:38, Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) wrote: [snip] > Recommend the following text in section 4.7 > > Research should focus on improving end user QoE from AQMs rather than network > related metrics only. Often a significant change in a network metric may only > make a minimal ch

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B

2013-11-08 Thread Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)
David, Please see a quick answer to your questions below. -Shahid. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:24 PM, "David Ros" wrote: > > On 8 nov. 2013, at 10:38, Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) > wrote: > > [snip] >> Recommend the following text in section 4.7 >> >> Research should focus on im

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B - Comments on Fred's document

2013-11-07 Thread Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)
isco.com); Naeem Khademi > (nae...@ifi.uio.no) > Subject: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B > > Hi, > > this is just a simple remainder that the WG will convene also this > Friday; > > As the mechanism update presentations took quite a bit longer than we had >

Re: [aqm] IETF88 Fri 08Nov13 - 12:30 Regency B - Comments on Fred's document

2013-11-07 Thread David Collier-Brown
um 09:01 schrieb "Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)" > : > > > Hi All, > > > > Had some comments on Fred's document. I have added the comments as track > > changes in a word document to easily see them. > I used the 02 version. > > > > Thanks. &g