[arch-general] gnome-screenshot tool partly broken with last xorg-server in testing ?

2012-08-10 Thread fredbezies
Hello. Before shouting on me, I know, testing can be broken sometimes. But as I'm facing this bug, I have reported it : https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/31087 To sum up : I cannot get a window to be correctly captured. Fullscreen is ok, window => corrupted file, and these kind of log. ** (gnome-

Re: [arch-general] Why is scribus installing gimp-light-2.6.11?

2012-08-10 Thread Rashif Ray Rahman
On 10 August 2012 12:32, David C. Rankin wrote: > Guys, > > The latest scribus update attempts to install gimp-light 2.6.11 (not > 2.6.12?) > as a dependency for the update. This fails on my box because I created a > gimp26 > package which is gimp 2.6.12. > > Is the 'gimp-light' being pulled

Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program

2012-08-10 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Axilleas Pi wrote: >> pkgdesc="Mime is a command line backup program written in Python" >> arch=('i686' 'x86_64') > since it's a python app, arch should be 'any' >> >> url="http://http://code.google.com/p/mime-backup/"; > There's a double http:// :P >> >> license=(

Re: [arch-general] No signal on external monitor with 3.5 Kernel

2012-08-10 Thread jsteel
On 10 August 2012 01:55, Sudaraka Wijesinghe wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have an external monitor connected to my laptop via HDMI which I use > side by side to get an extended desktop. > > When I boot the system with 3.5 Kernel I don't get any signal on the > external monitor, laptop display and e

Re: [arch-general] No signal on external monitor with 3.5 Kernel

2012-08-10 Thread Sudaraka Wijesinghe
On 08/10/12 14:06, jsteel wrote: > On 10 August 2012 01:55, Sudaraka Wijesinghe > wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I have an external monitor connected to my laptop via HDMI which I use >> side by side to get an extended desktop. >> >> When I boot the system with 3.5 Kernel I don't get any signal on t

Re: [arch-general] No signal on external monitor with 3.5 Kernel

2012-08-10 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 10.08.2012 11:17, schrieb Sudaraka Wijesinghe: > xrandr output http://pastebin.com/z9G4n1Sp > > This is what I use to initialize the two monitors when X starts According to this, your monitor is enabled at 1920x1080. > Also, as I mentioned before I don't see the output during the boot > eithe

[arch-general] offlineimap configuration encrypted pwd

2012-08-10 Thread Arno Gaboury
Dear all, I just finised creating GnuPG key and setting gpg-agent following the wiki. I am a litle bit confused now about a few things and how to use my encripted password. First, is there any need to add in my .Xressources this line: eval $(gpg-agent --daemon) I don't think so, but have a doubt.

Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

2012-08-10 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/09/2012 10:42 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: [putolin] but the easier it is to follow the trail, the better. That's what bread crumbs are for

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Long-term report: The NM applet within the Xfce panel still is ok. I expect to get issues from time to time using NM, but until now even those didn't happen. Again, no systemd ;). OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk ab

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] linux-3.4.8-1

2012-08-10 Thread gt
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 08:22:47AM +0200, Tobias Powalowski wrote: > Hi guys, > please signoff 3.4.8 series for both arches. > package is not in testing, please grab it from here: > http://dev.archlinux.org/~tpowa/linux/ > > This will move to [core] directly, because 3.5.1 is in [testing]. signof

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/10/2012 08:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk about pros and cons, Poettering again and again. I suspect we use different mail clients, daemons etc. too. Sadly, I don't think in t

Re: [arch-general] note about beginners guide

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 19:58 -0400, brainwor...@lavabit.com wrote: > In installation chapter we can see: > > > Available time zones and subzones can be found in the > > |/usr/share/zoneinfo//| directories. > > > > it's helpful to see the available time zones. To do so, cd to the > > directory: > >

Re: [arch-general] note about beginners guide

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 14:52 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 19:58 -0400, brainwor...@lavabit.com wrote: > > In installation chapter we can see: > > > > > Available time zones and subzones can be found in the > > > |/usr/share/zoneinfo//| directories. > > > > > > it's helpful to

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > On 08/10/2012 08:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >> OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not >> to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk about pros and cons, >> Poettering again and again. I suspect we use differen

Re: [arch-general] note about beginners guide

2012-08-10 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:52:09 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf : > Because cd + ls gives an overview about the structure? The output of $ cd /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe $ ls is exactly the same as $ ls /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe There's only one difference. The first one firstly changes the working d

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/10/2012 08:54 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Baho Utot wrote: On 08/10/2012 08:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk about pros and cons, Poettering again a

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > Yes but part of systemd is installed with udev as I understand it? > > Have you tried to strip out udev from systemd so you can use sysvinit > without anything from systemd ? The systemd daemon is not installed. However, lots of little tools are

[arch-general] IMPORTANT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 14:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Long-term report: > The NM applet within the Xfce panel still is ok. [snip] But I had to downgrade polkit, since I couldn't mount devices by Thunar 1.4.0 anymore. After downgrading to the regular polkit Thunar is ok again. Regards, Ralf

Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-10 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/10/2012 12:41 AM, gt wrote: Why don't you guys try something like claws or sylpheed, if you are having problem with thunderbird. I have used claws a couple of times and I can say that it consumes minimal resources (for a graphical client). Unless lots has changed recently, Claws is n

Re: [arch-general] Brasero cannot create mp3 based cds ?

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 14:49 +0200, fredbezies wrote: > Hello. > > I faced a weird bug with Brasero. Yesterday, I wanted to convert and > burn mp3 to a CD. > > I got an error box saying : > > "Name of mp3 file" could not be opened > > "Name of mp3 file" is not suitable for audio or video media >

Re: [arch-general] Brasero cannot create mp3 based cds ?

2012-08-10 Thread fredbezies
2012/8/10 Ralf Mardorf : > On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 14:49 +0200, fredbezies wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I faced a weird bug with Brasero. Yesterday, I wanted to convert and >> burn mp3 to a CD. >> >> I got an error box saying : >> >> "Name of mp3 file" could not be opened >> >> "Name of mp3 file" is not su

Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-10 Thread David C. Rankin
On 08/10/2012 08:35 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 08/10/2012 12:41 AM, gt wrote: Why don't you guys try something like claws or sylpheed, if you are having problem with thunderbird. I have used claws a couple of times and I can say that it consumes minimal resources (for a graphical client).

[arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 08:47 -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > On 08/10/2012 08:11 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > OT: Btw. it would be nice if everybody has got the choice to use or not > > to use systemd. IMO there's no need to talk about pros and cons, > > Poettering again and again. I suspect we use differe

Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program

2012-08-10 Thread Squall Lionheart
> I fixed according to your recommendations: > > # Contributor: Leonidas Spyropoulos > pkgname=mime > pkgver=2.0.0 > pkgrel=1 > pkgdesc="Mime is a command line backup program written in Python" > arch=('any') > url="http://code.google.com/p/mime-backup/"; > license=('GPL3') > depends=('python2') >

Re: [arch-general] note about beginners guide

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 15:01 +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:52:09 +0200 > schrieb Ralf Mardorf : > > > Because cd + ls gives an overview about the structure? > > The output of > > $ cd /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe > $ ls > > is exactly the same as > > $ ls /usr/share/zoneinfo/

Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program

2012-08-10 Thread Kwpolska
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Squall Lionheart wrote: >> I fixed according to your recommendations: >> >> # Contributor: Leonidas Spyropoulos >> pkgname=mime >> pkgver=2.0.0 >> pkgrel=1 >> pkgdesc="Mime is a command line backup program written in Python" >> arch=('any') >> url="http://code.goo

Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program

2012-08-10 Thread Squall Lionheart
> You are the project maintainer, so you decide! On a side note, I > think you don’t have many users, so a version change would work > nicely. > Thanks again. I have been in software development for nearly a decade and am new to open source software so I'm just trying to learn whats best. I wil

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: >. PA until today is pure crap for MOST > computer users (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't > like to hear again and again, that it does work for most Linux users, I > even DOUBT that very much. > This again? Let's paraphrase:- Softwar

Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-10 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 08/10/2012 12:41 AM, gt wrote: > >> >> Why don't you guys try something like claws or sylpheed, if you are >> having problem with thunderbird. I have used claws a couple of times >> and I can say that it consumes minimal resources (for a

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:50 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > >. PA until today is pure crap for MOST > > computer users (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't > > like to hear again and again, that it does work for most Linux users, I > > even

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/10/2012 11:50 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: . PA until today is pure crap for MOST computer users (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't like to hear again and again, that it does work for most Linux users, I even DOUBT that very much. T

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Aug 10, 2012 5:59 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this > patched version works with the NM applet on my Xfce, unfortunately the > patched version brakes Thunar. Thanks. Tom

Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program

2012-08-10 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
On 10 Aug 2012 16:13, "Squall Lionheart" wrote: > > > You are the project maintainer, so you decide! On a side note, I > > think you don’t have many users, so a version change would work > > nicely. > > > > Thanks again. I have been in software development for nearly a decade and > am new to ope

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:50 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > Oh, and very few people actually use simple stereo audio chips, the > majority of people use multi channel audio cards to listen to their > YouTube. Puleaudio doesn't work for many people simply using stereo with on-board devices. We are living

[arch-general] Install scripts and Syslinux

2012-08-10 Thread Myra Nelson
I would like to thank all those who are working so diligently to make Arch Linux more usable. There are just too many to list in one spot. Dave's install scripts are great. This was the easiest install I've ever done save plugging in an MSDOS disk. To all those trying to come up with a graphical

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Aug 10, 2012 6:09 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > > On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:50 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > > Oh, and very few people actually use simple stereo audio chips, the > > majority of people use multi channel audio cards to listen to their > > YouTube. > > Puleaudio doesn't work for many pe

Re: [arch-general] offlineimap configuration encrypted pwd

2012-08-10 Thread Vojtech Aschenbrenner
Hello, the long story short: :-) Excerpts from Arno Gaboury's message of 2012-08-10 13:17:06 +0200: > I just finised creating GnuPG key and setting gpg-agent following the > wiki. I am a litle bit confused now about a few things and how to use my > encripted password. > First, is there any need to

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:04:39 +0200 Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Aug 10, 2012 5:59 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > > As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this > > patched version works with the NM applet on my Xfce, unfortunately the > > patched version brakes Thunar. > > Than

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Aug 10, 2012 6:32 PM, "Leonid Isaev" wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:04:39 +0200 > Tom Gundersen wrote: > > > On Aug 10, 2012 5:59 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > > > As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this > > > patched version works with the NM applet on my Xfce, u

Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-10 Thread Squall Lionheart
I don't see an option related to GLODA in edit->prefs->advanced->general, is it the same as "Enable Global Search and Indexer"? Thanks Squall On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:57 AM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Genes MailLists > wrote: > > On 08/10/2012 12:41 AM, gt wrote: >

Re: [arch-general] offlineimap configuration encrypted pwd

2012-08-10 Thread Arno Gaboury
On 10/08/12||18:30, Vojtech Aschenbrenner wrote: > Hello, the long story short: :-) > > Excerpts from Arno Gaboury's message of 2012-08-10 13:17:06 +0200: > > I just finised creating GnuPG key and setting gpg-agent following the > > wiki. I am a litle bit confused now about a few things and how to

Re: [arch-general] Something wrong with firefox/thunderbird driving X cpu usage -> 100%

2012-08-10 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Squall Lionheart wrote: > I don't see an option related to GLODA in edit->prefs->advanced->general, > is it the same as "Enable Global Search and Indexer"? > > Thanks > Squall > Yes under exactly that option select to "not" Enable Global Search and Indexer - then

Re: [arch-general] offlineimap configuration encrypted pwd

2012-08-10 Thread Arno Gaboury
On 10/08/12||18:30, Vojtech Aschenbrenner wrote: > Hello, the long story short: :-) > > Excerpts from Arno Gaboury's message of 2012-08-10 13:17:06 +0200: > > I just finised creating GnuPG key and setting gpg-agent following the > > wiki. I am a litle bit confused now about a few things and how to

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 11:31 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:04:39 +0200 > Tom Gundersen wrote: > > > On Aug 10, 2012 5:59 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > > > As already reported, both, the version from the repositories + this > > > patched version works with the NM applet on my X

[arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-10 Thread fredbezies
Hello. I know, archlinux is really quick to package software, so I was wondering when LibreOffice 3.6 will be proposed, at least on testing ? I grabbed PKGBUILD from abs, and tweaked .36 version to build both translations (done first) and then core package (currently working on LibO Writer after

Re: [arch-general] offlineimap configuration encrypted pwd

2012-08-10 Thread Vojtech Aschenbrenner
Excerpts from Arno Gaboury's message of 2012-08-10 19:25:37 +0200: > Will it be OK to add "-connect" if I want to use gpg-agant for ssh too? > eval $(gpg-connect-agent -q ) I don't use gpg agent to manage ssh keys, so try/read man/google it. > Then, I have alrday a ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf with

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:27:33 +0200 schrieb Tom Gundersen : > Please guys, not again... > > Take your concerns upstream, nothing will come off rehashing them > here for the hundredths time. Those concerns have been reported upstream a long while ago. They are just ignored resp. upstream doesn't h

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-10 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On 10/08/12 21:15, fredbezies wrote: > Hello. > > I know, archlinux is really quick to package software, so I was > wondering when LibreOffice 3.6 will be proposed, at least on testing ? > > I grabbed PKGBUILD from abs, and tweaked .36 version to build both > translations (done first) and then co

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 21:43 +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: > And run a `ls /usr/lib/systemd/system`. The harddisk is filled up with > a bunch of systemd stuff which I don't need and don't want to have. Hm? IIRC console-kit has a replacement when using systemd, so those and perhaps other files perhaps h

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 22:04 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 21:43 +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: > > And run a `ls /usr/lib/systemd/system`. The harddisk is filled up with > > a bunch of systemd stuff which I don't need and don't want to have. > > Hm? IIRC console-kit has a replaceme

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-10 Thread Andreas Radke
Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:54:14 +0200 schrieb Jelle van der Waa : > On 10/08/12 21:15, fredbezies wrote: > > Hello. > > > > I know, archlinux is really quick to package software, so I was > > wondering when LibreOffice 3.6 will be proposed, at least on > > testing ? > > 3.6.0 won't go into our rep

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-10 Thread fredbezies
Ok. Thanks for the info. Will try ti build it for fun. Have a good weekend Le 10 août 2012 22:15, "Andreas Radke" a écrit : > Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:54:14 +0200 > schrieb Jelle van der Waa : > > > On 10/08/12 21:15, fredbezies wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > I know, archlinux is really quick to

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-10 Thread Brandon Watkins
Spellcheck is currently broken in 3.6.0 afiak, so probably best to wait until the point release. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Andreas Radke wrote: > Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:54:14 +0200 > schrieb Jelle van der Waa : > > > On 10/08/12 21:15, fredbezies wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > I know, arc

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-10 Thread fredbezies
2012/8/10 Brandon Watkins : > Spellcheck is currently broken in 3.6.0 afiak, so probably best to wait > until the point release. Well, if you don't wipe previous configuration, it could be broken. And as there is PKGBUILD.36 files, will try by myself. Good to learn some more things on build proces

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Brandon Watkins
Systemd and pulseaudio are completely different pieces of software with different purposes. Comparing them like that just because of the author is comparing apples to oranges. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:27:33 +0200 > schrieb Tom Gundersen : > > >

Re: [arch-general] Install scripts and Syslinux

2012-08-10 Thread Juan Diego Tascón
+1 to this On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Myra Nelson wrote: > I would like to thank all those who are working so diligently to make Arch > Linux more usable. There are just too many to list in one spot. > > Dave's install scripts are great. This was the easiest install I've ever > done save p

[arch-general] Justin's package signing key expired

2012-08-10 Thread Florian Pritz
Just a heads up: Justin Davis' key expired today so pacman won't be able to verify/install some perl packages[1] until they have been resigned or rebuilt. [1]: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?packager=juster -- Florian Pritz signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [arch-general] Brasero cannot create mp3 based cds ?

2012-08-10 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/10/2012 06:47 AM, fredbezies wrote: > > Well, it is not the best answer I can get. And to answer another > message, of course gstreamer bad plugins are installed. > This sounds to me like an upstream problem, and so it should be taken to the r

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/10/2012 09:02 AM, Baho Utot wrote: > On 08/10/2012 11:50 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: >> On 10 Aug 2012 22:52, "Ralf Mardorf" >> wrote: >>> . PA until today is pure crap for MOST computer users >>> (including those who try to switch to Linux), I don't l

Re: [arch-general] Brasero cannot create mp3 based cds ?

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 14:20 -0700, David Benfell wrote: > On 08/10/2012 06:47 AM, fredbezies wrote: > > > > Well, it is not the best answer I can get. And to answer another > > message, of course gstreamer bad plugins are installed. > > > This sounds to me like an upstream problem, and so it sho

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:33:39 -0400 schrieb Brandon Watkins : > Systemd and pulseaudio are completely different pieces of software > with different purposes. Comparing them like that just because of the > author is comparing apples to oranges. Sorry, it is not. I see that PA is totally not complet

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:15 +0200 schrieb Heiko Baums : > I really haven't seen so many and so long discussions and so many > concerns and very negative opinions about a software than I have seen > about Lennart's software. And I'm not only reading this mailing list. > See e.g. pro-linux.de or he

Re: [arch-general] note about beginners guide

2012-08-10 Thread brainworker
> I corrected my mail, with a second mail. For a beginner it's easier to > follow the structure if the user several times changes the dir and list > several times the contents. Changing directory with 'cd' makes sense only when we have to do some (several) operations with files in this directory.

Re: [arch-general] note about beginners guide

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
cd /usr/share/zoneinfo ls and then > cd Europe > ls Gives a first impression to a newbie, about the directories. OTOH it's not very important. IMO both is ok, with and without cd. Arch Wikis usually are very good :). Regards, Ralf

[arch-general] root $PATH via "su - -c mc" ??

2012-08-10 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
OK so I guess /root/.bash_profile wouldn't be read by a script generated login shell that feeds "su - -c mc" to the -e option of a "konsole" command, since it's not considered an "interactive" login... Which explains why the conditional PATH command I routinely put in my .bash_profile scripts (n

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: [snip: lots of whining about pulse audio] This is not the right mailinglist for this issue. And this certainly is not the right thread for it. > And systemd seems to be similar. I also don't like that you want to > imprint this systemd stuff ev

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > If you buy a book at Amazon e.g., what do you read? Only the best > 5-star reviews or also the 1-star reviews? I tell you something. Not > always but a lot of times the fewer 1-star reviews are the better and > more realistic ones. I prefer t

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:15 +0200 Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:33:39 -0400 > schrieb Brandon Watkins : > > > Systemd and pulseaudio are completely different pieces of software > > with different purposes. Comparing them like that just because of the > > author is comparing apples

[arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:56:33 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Heiko Baums /usr/lib/systemd/system Why don't you just delete the things you don't want? When not using systemd, is it ok to delete /usr/lib/systemd completely? Is it ok to replace libsystemd (or what

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > When not using systemd, is it ok to delete /usr/lib/systemd completely? No, initscripts uses a lot of stuff in there. > Is it ok to replace libsystemd (or what ever is installed by dependencies) > with a dummy-package? I'm not booted to Arch

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:59:25 +0200, Leonid Isaev wrote: Do we always have to get personal? Seems to me that some people have way too much free time... And do you think it's a good idea to spam my inbox? Ah, right, I should unsubscribe. I don't read reviews because relevant people you

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 01:27:43 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: When not using systemd, is it ok to delete /usr/lib/systemd completely? No, initscripts uses a lot of stuff in there. Is it ok to replace libsystemd (or what ever is installed by

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:57:46 +0200 schrieb Tom Gundersen : > I prefer the reviews (good or bad) from someone who has actually read > the book. You can usually assume that everybody who writes a review has actually read the book. Heiko

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:56:33 +0200 schrieb Tom Gundersen : > This is not the right mailinglist for this issue. And this certainly > is not the right thread for it. This is the right mailing list for this issue, because downstream is also affected by this. And it is also downstream's decision whet

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 01:15:32 +0200 "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:56:33 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Heiko Baums > >> /usr/lib/systemd/system > > > > Why don't you just delete the things you don't want? > > When not using systemd, is it ok to

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:56:33 +0200 schrieb Tom Gundersen : > You pointed out a feature that initsrcipts used to have > which systemd-cryptsetup lacked, (on the same day) I posted a patch to > implement the feature you requested, and asked for feedback (which you > didn't give) Just to mention, yo

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:03:51 +0200, Leonid Isaev wrote: If you disagree file a bugreport. Any hints where to file a bug report are welcome. Seemingly nobody is interested, as already explained by Heiko. But using dummy packages is just cheating. So I should do audio productions with a

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:14:25 +0200 "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:03:51 +0200, Leonid Isaev > wrote: > > If you disagree file a bugreport. > > Any hints where to file a bug report are welcome. Seemingly nobody is > interested, as already explained by Heiko. You could talk t

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:20:12 +0200, Leonid Isaev wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:14:25 +0200 "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:03:51 +0200, Leonid Isaev wrote: > If you disagree file a bugreport. Any hints where to file a bug report are welcome. Seemingly nobody is interested, a

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-10 Thread fredbezies
2012/8/10 fredbezies : > 2012/8/10 Brandon Watkins : >> Spellcheck is currently broken in 3.6.0 afiak, so probably best to wait >> until the point release. > > Well, if you don't wipe previous configuration, it could be broken. > And as there is PKGBUILD.36 files, will try by myself. Good to learn

Re: [arch-general] Brasero cannot create mp3 based cds ?

2012-08-10 Thread fredbezies
2012/8/10 Ralf Mardorf : > On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 14:20 -0700, David Benfell wrote: >> On 08/10/2012 06:47 AM, fredbezies wrote: >> > >> > Well, it is not the best answer I can get. And to answer another >> > message, of course gstreamer bad plugins are installed. >> > >> This sounds to me like an u

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Baho Utot
On 08/10/2012 08:03 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: [putolin] Look, you don't _have_ to use pacman to manage software. As I said elsewhere, dependencies on pulse, lirc, etc. are there for a reason. If you disagree with this reason, file a bugreport. But using dummy packages is just cheating. Then h

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Thanasis Georgiou
On Aug 11, 2012 3:11 AM, "Heiko Baums" baums -on- web.de > wrote: > Just to mention, you've also written that this patch you've written > should not be used or tested in stable, productive environments. I only > have one PC which needs to run stably and reliably. I can't run into > danger that my d

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > I have the impression that you are one of those systemd fanboys, and > just don't want to hear that systemd and PA have a lot of serious > issues. Issues, serious or otherwise, belong in the bug-tracker. We have surprisingly few systemd/pulsea

[arch-general] systemd fsck

2012-08-10 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I just moved my desktop to systemd, and saw a couple things as I booted it for the first time: 1) It is *fast*. Let me say that again. It is *fast*. I have never seen a system come up this fast. Critics of systemd might want to consider that.

Re: [arch-general] When will LibreOffice 3.6 proposed ?

2012-08-10 Thread Brandon Watkins
Yeah, it does work. I had a read a few posts earlier saying that spellcheck was "broken" in libreoffice 3.6, but it turns out it was all hyperbole, they were just referring to this bug which is certainly not totally broken spellcheck: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53006 On Fri, Aug

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On 11 Aug 2012 08:14, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: >> But using dummy packages is just cheating. > > > So I should do audio productions with a Linux, that is unable to use my audio card? How should I do this? > > Regards, > Ralf By installing a distro that doesn't force you to use pulseaudio. Oh wait, t

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-10 Thread Guus Snijders
Op 11 aug. 2012 03:02 schreef "Tom Gundersen" het volgende: > > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: [...] > > Like I said before, if you would support systemd, sytemd-tools and > > everything else related to systemd totally optional, and keep > > initscripts pure initscripts witho