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expanding nibble boundaries."
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 4:17 PM David Farmer wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 5:04 PM William Herrin wrote:
>> we know a /16 has been allocated. We can't know how they justified it
>> because that information is private. Can you produce a -notional-
>> justification for a
ion is private. Can you produce a -notional-
justification for a /16 that we all agree is -reasonable-? If you
cannot, then what purpose is served by allowing such consumptive
registrations?
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> Provide me with evidence that the current policy is unsustainable,
Hi David,
I think the author's explanation in the problem statement is
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>> John Curran has already said that ARIN would accept a wide range of
>> esoteric network designs as justifying an initial /16, provided they
>> were presented in go
k designs as justifying an initial /16, provided they
were presented in good faith.
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The concern expressed in the policy proposal was for *initial*
justifications. Even if ARIN determined that 6rd could account only
for a /24 of efficient use for a *subsequent* allocation, the
addresses would already be gone in the initial allocation which places
no such constraint.
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ord to stay nice and flexible indefinitely.
The current /16 is not that cap. It's too large. Hence my support for
this policy proposal which shrinks it to /20.
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cannot stress enough how wasteful this plan is, but it is
technically compliant with justifiable use under current IPv6 policy.
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> > Folks seeking a /16 are doing it with paperwork tigers.
>
> Are there “folks seeking a /16”?
I know of no imminent plague of unreasonable IPv6 requests. But if one
or
adds definitions and does not change any of the
> existing text; I figured it’d be better to leave any use of the definitions
> to a future policy proposal.
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unt, than a hard
time justifying the addresses I need. Which path would you like us to
walk?
Folks seeking a /16 are doing it with paperwork tigers. They haven't
made any attempt at efficient use and we shouldn't be helping them in
that failure.
I support the proposed policy.
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hack. Fix the actual
terminology problem so that the document follows a reasonable form.
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Nibble-based address delegation boundaries serve IPv6 in two ways:
First, each written digit of an IPv6 address is exactly 4 bits.
Second, the ip6.arpa reverse-DNS domain is engineered for
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> either term shall be construed to include both meanings.
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ich also connect to the Internet and some
of which do not. These are network exchanges, theoretically critical
infrastructure but they are not critical Internet infrastructure.
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r more autonomous systems for
the exchange of data destined for and between their respective
networks. This typically involves reciprocal BGP peering across one or
more Ethernet switches in a single locality.
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n possible subsequent assignments will
> result in the expansion of an existing assignment by one or more nibble
> boundaries as justified.
For clarity: "result IT the expansion" is replaced with "result IN the
expansion."
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. Should currently be
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t; ARIN no longer differentiates between
address user types. Either word should be understood to mean an
allocation as defined above.
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>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#6-5-8-3-subsequent-assignments
>> "assignments will result it the expansion of an"
> Thanks for bringing this to
https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#6-5-8-3-subsequent-assignments
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an identifier," is
still an irritatingly circular definition.
Try: " An Organization Identifier (Org ID) is a unique text label
assigned to entities that wish to participate in the Internet Numbers
Registry System via ARIN registry services."
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> On Oct 30, 2023, at 6:52 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> If nominated, I'll run. If elected I'll serve. I won't nominate myself.
>
> Technically, you’ll need to nominate yourself at some point, as ARIN
> eliminated third-p
On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 3:18 PM Leif Sawyer wrote:
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> > Been doing these things for a decade and a half Leif. I even ran for
> > the Board, and once gave a technical lightning talk up on stage.
>
> Please do take care not to conflate running for
On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 10:15 AM Owen DeLong wrote:
> > On Oct 29, 2023, at 00:16, William Herrin wrote:
> > I have no qualms with the AC having a safe space to candidly discuss
> > and debate the policy proposals. But don't blow smoke up my tail that
> > they're
cept my boss' failure to manage his
conflict of interest. It's very easy for an insider to lose sight of
the important abstractions.
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nd debate the policy proposals. But don't blow smoke up my tail that
they're not privately discussing and debating the policy proposals. If
that were the whole truth, if the private discussion was purely
administrivia, they'd have no need for a safe space.
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> > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 6:36 PM Heather Schiller
> > wrote:
> >> The substantive discussion about the policy is held in public.
> >> Behind closed
that dry, ARIN can win some -easy-
brownie points by holding them on a recorded, open call.
I thought the point of a closed meeting was so the folks on the AC
would be free to say what they think, but if the meetings are as dry
as all that then there's no need.
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r and get a resounding "no" that folks would rather
keep the public discussion on the existing list even if it sometimes
strayed from things that were strictly policy-related?
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from a position of power within the policy development framework, the
extra step could help external folks get a word in edgewise before the
AC forms their initial views about a specific proposal in private
meetings.
I'm not wedded to the idea. I throw it out there as a suggestion.
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omment on the list equate
to the AC *not* dominating the conversation?
Does the current process actually achieve that lofty goal?
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to raise the issue here
instead of the general members list. The other factor was that my
complaint was about the candidates' presence -here- not there.
I have carefully avoided mentioning candidates by name and would
encourage other participants to do the same.
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ire them to post the problem statement (without a
policy proposal) to the PPML and solicit feedback for, say, two weeks.
Make that the only hard restriction on an AC member proposing policy
that is not faced by the general public.
What do you think?
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an ARIN meeting. Else you're rated "qualifications not
demonstrated."
Surely that's not too much to ask of folks who would serve on the AC?
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> > Respectfully, this means you misunderstand the nature of Conflict of
> > Interest.
>
> Sure, but what does an address broker who is transferring addresses
&
d cuts and it's no mystery to
me what inflicted the wounds.
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On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 9:28 AM Andrew Dul wrote:
> On 10/26/2023 9:20 AM, William Herrin wrote:
> > It plummeted after the Board changed the AC's role from shepherding
> > policy proposals to developing policy proposals.
>
> I realize that might be a distinction with ou
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> > On Oct 26, 2023, at 12:20 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> > It plummeted after the Board changed the AC's role from shepherding
> > policy proposals to developing policy proposals.
>
> There is no material change in
eed to death before it can come to a consensus
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doesn't understand the character of his or her conflict of interest
has no place on the board.
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couldn't properly oversee the prime vendor. So I'm sensitive to
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Of the 14 candidates, only 5 have posted here as
a member of the general public. Ever. Even a couple of the current AC
members have only posted here in their official capacity on the AC.
I don't know what to say.I just don't know what to say.
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> > ... I'm not, for example, aware of any SWIP obligations I've
> > picked up due to ARIN restructuring its process. Nor am I aware of
> > holders of what were fo
m their
SWIP obligations.
I have no dog in the fight as to what the word -should- be, but in my
view it -shouldn't- be allocation or assignment.
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archived on the Internet in explanation. As we leave those meanings
behind, we should leave the corresponding terms of art with them.
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uld we
consider explicitly disallowing for IXP assignments? The occasional
cache host is inoffensive but if the space gets repurposed for
ecommerce sites and cable modem users is that inherently fraudulent?
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we should consider,
I'd like to see it anonymized but otherwise with full details. Without
data to drive an analysis, we'll just argue ideology. That isn't
helpful.
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for a downstream BGP customer?
Pull the other one.
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t;If announced on the public Internet, address space distributed from
the waitlist shall be announced only by the direct ARIN registrant
until 60 months after receipt."
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for an IXP. IPv4 addresses are not so unobtainable that we need to
force IXPs into a regime where they have a messy addressing problem,
possible renumbering and flag days on the exchange.
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There are certainly things ARIN could do to improve RPKI uptake, but
I'm not aware of any that are responsive to the specific concern you
raised.
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speculators from
buying and "flipping" address blocks.
I don't see a lot of speculators buying and flipping address blocks.
Working as intended?
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hem strip the private AS so that to the
Internet you're announcing from multiple origin ASes. While unusual,
it is a completely valid way to operate.
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On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 3:05 PM Noah wrote:
> On Mon, 8 May 2023, 22:19 William Herrin, wrote:
> We are all aware that ISPs are generally LIRs and as such,
> their downstream endusers/customers often time get assigned
> small blocks like /24 based on need ontop of the connectivit
icy which simply declares such addresses
unused for justification purposes: a small amount of such activity by
otherwise legitimate ISPs won't cause them a problem but it'd block
anybody from making a business model out of it.
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someone else
In principle, I agree.
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eferred
solution. When addresses become available for allocation and
assignment, have ARIN contract one of the IP brokers to sell it per
the in-region specified transfer rules. No free addresses, no
incentive to cheat.
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PM calls legitimate.
Policy-wise, I'd try something along these lines:
Where IP addresses are leased to third parties who make little or no
use of your network infrastructure with those addresses, the addresses
are deemed -unused- for the purpose of calculating or projecting the
utilization rate.
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vention -now- is that it'd be grossly
unfair to all the folks who for two and a half decades were denied
IPv4 assignments from ARIN until, oh look at that, the IP addresses
are all gone.
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wrote:
> I would like community feedback on the leasing of ip space that is obtained
> from the waitlist.
Kill it and burn it with fire.
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all will expire on 9 Jun
> 2023.
The feedback on the list both last month and in January was that the
policy text was poorly written. Alternatives were offered and
disregarded. Again.
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> When I look at section 2 as a whole, I believe the term Number
> Resources logically belongs near the top of the list and not near the bottom
> of the list.
Hi David,
If you're just looking at the static document, you're right. But
here's
On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 6:11 AM John Curran wrote:
> However, if you believe that the proposed definition can be improved,
> you should suggest specific wording changes to achieve such (as
> comments simply suggesting "a competent rewrite” provide no
> meaningful information for the ARIN AC to
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> Speaking for myself here, not on behalf of ARIN AC, nor even NRPM WG, but as
> myself only.
>
> The shepherds alerted me of your concern, so I hope to provide
> you at least with the assurance that your feedback was indeed
> noted.
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> * ARIN-2022-11: Clean-up of NRPM – Introduction of Section 2.17
> Based on community feedback and AC discussion we motion to move ARIN-2022-11:
> Clean-up of NRPM – Introduction of Section 2.17 to Recommended Draft, with
> the following
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wrote:
> “Internet number resources are unique identifiers within the Internet Numbers
> Registry System [as described in IETF RFC 7020] and this includes ranges (or
> “blocks”) of contiguous Internet Protocol (“IP”) addresses and Autonomous
>
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> 2.17 Internet Number Resources
>
> Internet number resources are the unique identifiers allocated by IANA and
> issued by the RIRs. This includes Internet Protocol (IP) addresses (IPv4 and
> IPv6) and Autonomous System Numbers (ASNs).
Try this on
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> 2.17 Internet Number Resources
>
> Internet number resources are the unique identifiers allocated by IANA and
> issued by the RIRs. This includes Internet Protocol (IP) addresses (IPv4 and
> IPv6) and Autonomous System Numbers (ASNs).
"Identifier"
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> If you do an FCC style auction the ones with money are always going to win
> unless you impose a lot of criteria.
They won't sell at auction for any more than they do on the open
market. And at this late date in IPv4 exhaustion, why should
On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 1:35 PM WOOD Alison * DAS
wrote:
> The Policy Experience Working Group would like your feedback
> on a potential policy idea: With waiting list times being in years,
> should an org be eligible to get a small block (e.g. /24) via 8.3/8.4
> and stay on the waiting list?
I
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 5:10 PM David Conrad wrote:
> On Jan 4, 2023, at 2:32 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> > However, since /48 is also the minimum Internet routable size,
>
> Sorry, what? Out of 172,457 IPv6 prefixes seen at AMSIX (according to
> routeviews) on 2023-01-01,
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 11:52 AM Fernando Frediani wrote:
> Another thing that I wanted to understand better is the reasoning to allocate
> a significant smaller IPv6 block to a said end-user organization given it is
> not so scarce resource.
The standard size assignment to an end user is /48
On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 1:42 PM WOOD Alison * DAS
wrote:
> The current wait list criteria is:
>
> Must have a /20 or less in total IPv4 holdings.
> May request up to a /22.
> Removed from list if IPv4 received via 8.3/8.4 transfer.
> Received ip space is eligible for needs-based transfer after
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 8:59 AM Gary Buhrmaster
wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 8:03 AM William Herrin wrote:
> > I conditionally support this proposal on the condition that there is
> > an accompanying change to the fee schedule such that the second and
> > subsequen
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 7:46 AM ARIN wrote:
> Any organization may be issued a single Autonomous System Number (ASN) upon
> request. Organizations that have space issued under Multiple Discrete
> Networks policy may be issued one ASN per discrete network upon request.
>
> Additional ASN
On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 11:21 AM WOOD Alison * DAS
wrote:
> It has been brought to the attention of the Policy Experience Working Group
> that in rare circumstances it is possible that Internet resources re-issued
> from revoked RSA space may have been on a block list or currently routed.
>
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