Re: EODAD mystery

2012-01-09 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 12:49:52 +0800 Ron Hesketh ron.hesk...@bankwest.com.au wrote: :Hi Steve, : Sorry I pressed send too soon ... : I think program B has to update the DCB with its own EODAD address :which exists in program B. : Quoting an old MVS /XA data Administration Guide Not

Re: FORTRAN II functions

2012-01-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Jan 8, 2012, at 19:13, John Gilmore wrote: | What is x'8000 ' interpreted as HFP? It does not occur as the result of an in-line or library-subroutine operation, both of which are coerced to be x'_', a 2C poositive zero. What happens when this value is made to figure in an

Re: Lacunæ

2012-01-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Jan 8, 2012, at 22:48, robin wrote: From: John Gilmore Sent: Monday, 9 January 2012 1:27 PM There were once a number of ligatures in wide use, but æ|Æ and œ|Œ are the only ones still in significant current use, particularly in modern French and classical Latin. And, for metal

Re: Lacunæ

2012-01-09 Thread Steve Comstock
On 1/9/2012 6:57 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Jan 8, 2012, at 22:48, robin wrote: From: John Gilmore Sent: Monday, 9 January 2012 1:27 PM There were once a number of ligatures in wide use, but æ|Æ and œ|Œ are the only ones still in significant current use, particularly in modern French and

Re: UNICODE fractions

2012-01-09 Thread Steve Comstock
On 1/9/2012 7:39 AM, David Bond wrote: On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:26:30 -0700, Steve Comstock wrote: Fractions: 1/4 = x'00BC' 1/2 = x'00BD' 3/4 = x'00BE' I don't see any others in the code charts. There is a block of UNICODE fractions at X'2150-X'215E' and 0/3 at X'2189'. David Ah,

Re: UNICODE fractions

2012-01-09 Thread Mike Shaw
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.comwrote: snip BTW, thanks for the excellent listings of code pages on your web site.-- I echo Steve's comment. The code page listings David created have been very helpful to me on many occasions also. Mike Shaw

Re: EODAD mystery

2012-01-09 Thread Walt Farrell
I think you need to show us more, Steve. Such as, what is the base register that ENDIFILE is using to address flags, and do both A and B have that register set to the same value when they issue their GETs? -- Walt Farrell IBM STSM, z/OS Security Design

Re: Lacunæ

2012-01-09 Thread John Gilmore
My original definition of the term 'ligature' should perhaps have been more restrictive. The Latin verb ligare means just to bind; and there are surgical ligatures, musical ligatures, etc., etc. My focus was on typographic ligatures; and even they come in two flavors: 1) 'æ' and 'œ' are

Re: Lacunæ

2012-01-09 Thread Steve Comstock
On 1/9/2012 10:17 AM, John Gilmore wrote: My original definition of the term 'ligature' should perhaps have been more restrictive. The Latin verb ligare means just to bind; and there are surgical ligatures, musical ligatures, etc., etc. My focus was on typographic ligatures; and even they come

RE: OT: Lacunć

2012-01-09 Thread Bill Fairchild
Regarding the weird letter c with an acute accent: I found it immediately by doing the following: 1. Use the insert symbol function on my document-creating editor (I always use some flavor of Word), scroll from top to bottom until I see the desired weird character, and insert one of them into

Re: Lacunæ

2012-01-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:17, John Gilmore wrote: o 'ffl', 'fi' and the like are typesetters' ligatures, usually found only in 'expert' fonts and not having their own code points, probably because needs for them vary from font to font. Yes. The needs were mechanical because of contention

Re: Lacunæ

2012-01-09 Thread Steve Comstock
On 1/9/2012 11:17 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:17, John Gilmore wrote: o 'ffl', 'fi' and the like are typesetters' ligatures, usually found only in 'expert' fonts and not having their own code points, probably because needs for them vary from font to font. Yes. The needs

Re: z/Arch design question.

2012-01-09 Thread Tony Harminc
On 9 January 2012 04:40, Hobart Spitz orexx...@gmail.com wrote: Suppose you wanted to move a large amount of data, and there are many page faults involved. If you divide the moves into logical sections, and do each of the section moves in turn with MVCLE, you could go on to the next when one

Re: Lacunæ

2012-01-09 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:17 PM, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com wrote: o 'ffl', 'fi' and the like are typesetters' ligatures, usually found only in 'expert' fonts and not having their own code points, probably because needs for them vary from font to font. Since we seem to have a

Wish list for message ASMA058E

2012-01-09 Thread McKown, John
I'm just getting into really using relative addresses. In the past, I've basically only been using Branch Relative (BRC or J..) instructions. So, no problems, because instructions automatically align to a halfword boundry. But I've starting using LARL for getting addresses. And I consistently

128-bit arithmetic

2012-01-09 Thread Steve Comstock
Well, I want to calculate an interval between two STCKE time values. It seems like this is a great opportunity to use SLBGR, but I don't have a lot of confidence in the right way to do this. Suppose me ending timestamp is in datetimen and my starting timestamp is in datetimes, defined this way:

Re: Wish list for message ASMA058E

2012-01-09 Thread John Ehrman
There are three main reasons for flagging a relative target address: odd boundary (as you noted), too far away, or in a different control section. At the time HLASM added relative-address support, we thought that the frequency of such addressing errors would be very low, so that separate messages

Re: EODAD mystery

2012-01-09 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 1/9/2012 10:37 AM, Walt Farrell wrote: I think you need to show us more, Steve. Such as, what is the base register that ENDIFILE is using to address flags, and do both A and B have that register set to the same value when they issue their GETs? This reminded me of a couple of things. I

Re: 128-bit arithmetic

2012-01-09 Thread Mike Shaw
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.comwrote: On 1/9/2012 1:40 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: Here's what I'm thinking: LMG R2,R4,datetimen - put datetime into R2/R3 (use 64 bits in each reg)

Re: 128-bit arithmetic

2012-01-09 Thread John Gilmore
Edward Jaffe is correct. In general, for arbitrary multiple-precision arithmetic, do no with-borrow on the lowEST-order element and do with-borrow on the highER-order elements There is a lucid, very full discussion of multiple-precision arithmetic in Donald Knuth, The art of computer

Re: 128-bit arithmetic

2012-01-09 Thread Steve Comstock
On 1/9/2012 4:03 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On 1/9/2012 3:43 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: So, I guess the sequence is: slgr R3,R5 slbgr R2,R4 and, again, I can store the value into one of the 16 byte areas I have allocated, for example: stmg R2,R3,datetimen then call CONVTOD, something like:

Re: 128-bit arithmetic

2012-01-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 1/9/2012 4:30 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: calculate interval: ( lmg R2,R5,datetimen pick up end times then start times slgr R3,R5 slbgr R2,R4 stmg R2,R3,datetimen ) convert interval to format for editing: ( convtod convval=datetimen,etodval=timestart,timetype=dec,

Re: Lacunæ

2012-01-09 Thread robin
From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2012 5:17 AM Yes. The needs were mechanical because of contention between type slugs. I was surprised to learn, circa 1987, that MS Word of that era required the author to specify those ligatures rather than making it a

Re: 128-bit arithmetic

2012-01-09 Thread Steve Comstock
On 1/9/2012 5:05 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On 1/9/2012 4:30 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: calculate interval: ( lmg R2,R5,datetimen pick up end times then start times slgr R3,R5 slbgr R2,R4 stmg R2,R3,datetimen ) convert interval to format for editing: ( convtod

Re: 128-bit arithmetic

2012-01-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 1/9/2012 6:56 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: First: none of the services time, stckconv, convtod produce or accept as input that is displayable: it all needs some manipulation. My reading of the docs is thus (I'm doing this mostly for my own benefit - it helps me re-think things): 128-bit

Re: 128-bit arithmetic

2012-01-09 Thread Steve Comstock
On 1/9/2012 7:28 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On 1/9/2012 6:56 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: First: none of the services time, stckconv, convtod produce or accept as input that is displayable: it all needs some manipulation. My reading of the docs is thus (I'm doing this mostly for my own benefit -

Re: 128-bit arithmetic

2012-01-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Jan 9, 2012, at 15:37, John Gilmore wrote: Numbering the BYTES of an STCKE value in zero-origin fashion from left to right, bytes 14 and 15 contain the programmable-field value. Do not include it in your calculations. Do include byte 0; after 23:58:43 on 2042 September 17 you will need