[asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-27 Thread Olle E. Johansson
Friends, We have a discussion on asterisk-dev about the maintenance of the 1.4 branch. According to the release plans, support for 1.4 was scheduled to close in April 2011 - basically now. After that, only security patches would be committed. This is already a delay from the original plan publi

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-27 Thread Danny Nicholas
t: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind? > > Friends, > > We have a discussion on asterisk-dev about the maintenance of the 1.4 > branch. According to the release plans, support for 1.4 was scheduled to > close in April 2011 - basically now. After that, only s

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-27 Thread Tim Nelson
- Original Message - > Friends, > > SNIP > > Unfortunately, I think this is way too early. My feeling and > experience is that 1.8 is not ready for production in the environments > I work in - large scale installations. Customers are not planning > migration and all new installs are still

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-27 Thread Andrew Latham
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Olle E. Johansson wrote: > Friends, > > We have a discussion on asterisk-dev about the maintenance of the 1.4 branch. > According to the release plans, support for 1.4 was scheduled to close in > April 2011 - basically now. After that, only security patches would

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-27 Thread Olle E. Johansson
> > I(me, my opinion, my feelings, my commercial view) am on the side of > dropping support for 1.4 and 1.6. 1.8 had some major issues which are > resolved/being worked on with more energy as older platforms are shut > down. If a large enough security issue showed up, I hope we would all > try to

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-27 Thread Administrator TOOTAI
Le 27/04/2011 21:34, Olle E. Johansson a écrit : Friends, We have a discussion on asterisk-dev about the maintenance of the 1.4 branch. According to the release plans, support for 1.4 was scheduled to close in April 2011 - basically now. After that, only security patches would be committed. T

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-27 Thread Gordon Henderson
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Olle E. Johansson wrote: The Digium team wants to go ahead and not support 1.4 any more, I want to keep 1.4 open for normal bug fixes. What do you think? I would like to see continued bug and security fixes for 1.4 for some time yet. As well as a raft of hosted servers,

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-27 Thread Matteo Piazza
I agree 100%, it's too early. There is a lot of businnes out of there based on 1.4 (even still 1.2), and my feelings is that a lot of people is not going to upgrade the asterisk version, they are going to stay with 1.4 for a long time yet. Also i wanna add another little consideration. Voip is

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-27 Thread Michael L. Young
- Original Message - > From: "Olle E. Johansson" > To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:34:03 PM > Subject: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind? > > Friends,

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-27 Thread Kevin Keane
> We have a discussion on asterisk-dev about the maintenance of the 1.4 branch. > According to the release plans, support for 1.4 was scheduled to close in > April 2011 - basically now. After that, only security patches would be > committed. This is already a delay from the original plan publish

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Danny Nicholas
This may be "Gas on the fire", but I think "somebody" (Digium/the community/etc) needs to make a "1.4 parallel" installation of 1.8 and get the baseline in order. Once the parallel features are functional, then we can all sweat the problems in the extra features. If I can install 1.8 and know tha

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Bryant Zimmerman
I will throw in my 2 cents on this. I agree that 1.8 is not as stable as it needs to be. From my perspective I will continue to use the 1.4.x or 1.6.2.x release that is the best fit for me and it should continue to do what it does and it get's it's security releases. If the primary development

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Russell Bryant
- Original Message - > PS. Please don't start a discussion about 1.8 quality in this thread, > that's a separate issue. I just want to know what you think about > closing 1.4 support now. If you want to discuss 1.8 quality, start a > new thread. Thanks. I don't think it's a separate issue

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Chris Owen
On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: > I don't think it's a separate issue at all. I would like to see discussion > of exactly which issues are preventing users from using Asterisk 1.8. We're > trying to shift focus to those issues and get them resolved as quickly and as > effic

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Russell Bryant
- Original Message - > On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: > > > I don't think it's a separate issue at all. I would like to see > > discussion of exactly which issues are preventing users from using > > Asterisk 1.8. We're trying to shift focus to those issues and get > >

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Chris Owen
On Apr 28, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: >> For us the biggest issue is multi-tenant parking not working. We've >> really given up testing anything beyond that point because without >> that feature there really isn't any way we could use it. > > Broken as compared to 1.6.2? I ask sinc

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Russell Bryant
- Original Message - > On Apr 28, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: > > >> For us the biggest issue is multi-tenant parking not working. We've > >> really given up testing anything beyond that point because without > >> that feature there really isn't any way we could use it. > > >

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Administrator TOOTAI
Le 28/04/2011 16:53, Russell Bryant a écrit : - Original Message - PS. Please don't start a discussion about 1.8 quality in this thread, that's a separate issue. I just want to know what you think about closing 1.4 support now. If you want to discuss 1.8 quality, start a new thread. Than

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Ira
At 05:56 AM 4/28/2011, you wrote: If I can install 1.8 and know that I can "turn off" things to get to 1.4 "solidness", then I don't have a problem with this kettle of fish. BTW, where does 1.10 fit into this conversation? Personally, 1.8 has never lasted more than 12 hours on my box without

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread satish patel
Where did you download asterisk 1.10 or trunk ? I search and found nothing. could your point me there? -S > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:06:18 -0700 > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com > From: i...@extrasensory.com > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leav

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Andrew Latham
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:34 PM, satish patel wrote: > Where did you download asterisk 1.10 or trunk ? I search and found nothing. > could your point me there? > > -S svn co http://svn.asterisk.org/svn/asterisk/trunk /usr/src/asterisk_trunk -- ~~~ Andrew "lathama" Latham lath...@gmail.com ~~~

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Paul Belanger
On 11-04-28 01:06 PM, Ira wrote: At 05:56 AM 4/28/2011, you wrote: If I can install 1.8 and know that I can "turn off" things to get to 1.4 "solidness", then I don't have a problem with this kettle of fish. BTW, where does 1.10 fit into this conversation? Personally, 1.8 has never lasted more

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread satish patel
ether its going to fix or not. -Satish > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:43:15 -0400 > From: pabelan...@digium.com > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind? > > On 11-04-28 01:06 PM, Ira wrote: > > At

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Leif Madsen
On 11-04-28 12:04 PM, Administrator TOOTAI wrote: > Ok, so why not stay with asterisk 1.4 security *and* bug/regression fixes for > few weeks/monthes till 1.8 reaches the level that the community accept to > switch > to 1.8 What is the guide here? What is the "level that the community" accepts? U

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Administrator TOOTAI
Le 28/04/2011 21:47, Leif Madsen a écrit : On 11-04-28 12:04 PM, Administrator TOOTAI wrote: Ok, so why not stay with asterisk 1.4 security *and* bug/regression fixes for few weeks/monthes till 1.8 reaches the level that the community accept to switch to 1.8 What is the guide here? What is the

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Ira
At 10:43 AM 4/28/2011, you wrote: On 11-04-28 01:06 PM, Ira wrote: At 05:56 AM 4/28/2011, you wrote: If I can install 1.8 and know that I can "turn off" things to get to 1.4 "solidness", then I don't have a problem with this kettle of fish. BTW, where does 1.10 fit into this conversation? Per

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Leif Madsen
On 11-04-28 04:33 PM, Administrator TOOTAI wrote: > Le 28/04/2011 21:47, Leif Madsen a écrit : >> On 11-04-28 12:04 PM, Administrator TOOTAI wrote: >>> Ok, so why not stay with asterisk 1.4 security *and* bug/regression fixes >>> for >>> few weeks/monthes till 1.8 reaches the level that the commun

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Administrator TOOTAI
Le 28/04/2011 22:43, Leif Madsen a écrit : On 11-04-28 04:33 PM, Administrator TOOTAI wrote: Le 28/04/2011 21:47, Leif Madsen a écrit : On 11-04-28 12:04 PM, Administrator TOOTAI wrote: Ok, so why not stay with asterisk 1.4 security *and* bug/regression fixes for few weeks/monthes till 1.8 rea

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Danny Nicholas
> Hope that this both scenario gives you a new vision ;-) and why I tell > that bugs and regressions should be taken in account at the same level > as security. > > -- > Daniel [Danny Nicholas] My .02 - Digium is going to do what is best for them (without them we'd be sunk), but if you aren't ta

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Matt Riddell
On 29/04/11 5:06 AM, Ira wrote: At 05:56 AM 4/28/2011, you wrote: If I can install 1.8 and know that I can "turn off" things to get to 1.4 "solidness", then I don't have a problem with this kettle of fish. BTW, where does 1.10 fit into this conversation? Personally, 1.8 has never lasted more t

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Alec Davis
ial Discussion > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to > leave 1.4 behind? > > On 29/04/11 5:06 AM, Ira wrote: > > At 05:56 AM 4/28/2011, you wrote: > >> If I can install 1.8 and > >> know that I can "turn off" things to get to 1.4

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Paul Belanger
On 11-04-28 04:35 PM, Ira wrote: If you want to look at this with my help, an email off-list will get your use of me and my Asterisk box. I just posted a patch on the issue tracker, I'll need to get it reviewed to see if this is the best approach. -- Paul Belanger Digium, Inc. | Software Deve

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Ira
At 03:22 PM 4/28/2011, you wrote: On 11-04-28 04:35 PM, Ira wrote: If you want to look at this with my help, an email off-list will get your use of me and my Asterisk box. I just posted a patch on the issue tracker, I'll need to get it reviewed to see if this is the best approach. I would co

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Russell Bryant
- Original Message - > Sure. Please follow the 2 next stories: > > - had a customer running 1.4.26 We upgraded to a new server and > installed 1.4.39, last version at this time. Bang: voicemail doesn't > work as it should, had to fallback to 1.4.26 Customer is still running > this version

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Russell Bryant
- Original Message - > Thanks Matt. > > There seems to be an unresolved deadlock since the birth of 1.8. > Using the most basic feature of a PBX, try to pickup some elses > ringing > extension - DEADLOCK. > > But I'm on to it, https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=18654 and > it's > mo

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Matt Riddell
On 29/04/11 10:10 AM, Alec Davis wrote: Thanks Matt. There seems to be an unresolved deadlock since the birth of 1.8. Using the most basic feature of a PBX, try to pickup some elses ringing extension - DEADLOCK. But I'm on to it, https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=18654 and it's more uptod

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Russell Bryant
- Original Message - > I would comment that I've been complaining about this since RC1 or 2 > and if you just fixed it in 2 hours that there is something seriously > wrong with the bug tracking system. I mean, I reported it a long > time ago and while it was probably not the best bug repor

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Ira
At 03:48 PM 4/28/2011, you wrote: - Original Message - > I would comment that I've been complaining about this since RC1 or 2 > and if you just fixed it in 2 hours that there is something seriously > wrong with the bug tracking system. I mean, I reported it a long > time ago and while it

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Paul Belanger
On 11-04-28 06:39 PM, Ira wrote: I would comment that I've been complaining about this since RC1 or 2 and if you just fixed it in 2 hours that there is something seriously wrong with the bug tracking system. I mean, I reported it a long time ago and while it was probably not the best bug report

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Alec Davis
bject: Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to > leave 1.4 behind? > > > - Original Message - > > Sure. Please follow the 2 next stories: > > > > - had a customer running 1.4.26 We upgraded to a new server and > > installed 1.4.39, last version a

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Leif Madsen
On 11-04-28 07:02 PM, Ira wrote: > At 03:48 PM 4/28/2011, you wrote: > OK, maybe not, but if I thought it was a bug and you discover it was a bug and > fix it, than who was it who decided it wasn't a bug 15 minutes after I put it > in > the bug tracker and why did that person have that much power?

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Ernie Dunbar
> On 29/04/11 5:06 AM, Ira wrote: >> At 05:56 AM 4/28/2011, you wrote: >>> If I can install 1.8 and >>> know that I can "turn off" things to get to 1.4 "solidness", then I >>> don't >>> have a problem with this kettle of fish. BTW, where does 1.10 fit into >>> this >>> conversation? >> >> Personall

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Leif Madsen
On 11-04-28 07:09 PM, Alec Davis wrote: > Making an assumption here, I'm sure I cleared the remaining resequencing > issues up in 1.4 SVN and 1.6.2 SVN. > https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=19032 > > The issues I uncovered and fixed were when a new voicemail is left, while a > mailbox is open

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Matt Riddell
On 29/04/11 11:51 AM, Ernie Dunbar wrote: On 29/04/11 5:06 AM, Ira wrote: At 05:56 AM 4/28/2011, you wrote: If I can install 1.8 and know that I can "turn off" things to get to 1.4 "solidness", then I don't have a problem with this kettle of fish. BTW, where does 1.10 fit into this conversation

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Ira
At 04:49 PM 4/28/2011, you wrote: Well the issue is that we currently have over 900 open issues in the Asterisk project alone, and with only one primary bug marshal (myself) sometimes things accidentally get closed if it looks like a configuration issue. If anyone ever opens an issue they they f

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Alec Davis
ect: Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to > leave 1.4 behind? > > On 11-04-28 07:09 PM, Alec Davis wrote: > > Making an assumption here, I'm sure I cleared the remaining > > resequencing issues up in 1.4 SVN and 1.6.2 SVN. > > https://issues.asterisk.or

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Matt Riddell
On 29/04/11 1:16 PM, Ira wrote: Well, I've no idea how to do that. I can duplicate the problem every IRC is an online chat system like MSN or Skype except that it's more like a mailing list - you can talk to lots of people at the same time. On Windows you can use a program like mIRC to conne

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Matt Riddell
On 29/04/11 2:15 PM, Alec Davis wrote: Let me try to better describe the test senario that I found, and have been commited to 1.4svn, 1.6.2svn 1.8svn and trunk. All aspects need to be thrased out though. Leave Phone-A 2 new messages, and for this example we only have 2 new messages. Now to crea

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Olle E. Johansson
>> > > I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the bug tracking system. > It's more of a resource issue with many conflicting priorities. Officially > letting off some of the pressure from older branches does help. I would like > to be making faster progress through bug reports

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-28 Thread Olle E. Johansson
29 apr 2011 kl. 01.49 skrev Leif Madsen: > Well the issue is that we currently have over 900 open issues in the Asterisk > project alone, and with only one primary bug marshal (myself) sometimes things > accidentally get closed if it looks like a configuration issue. What's the reason that we on

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-29 Thread Administrator TOOTAI
Le 29/04/2011 00:42, Russell Bryant a écrit : - Original Message - Sure. Please follow the 2 next stories: - had a customer running 1.4.26 We upgraded to a new server and installed 1.4.39, last version at this time. Bang: voicemail doesn't work as it should, had to fallback to 1.4.26 Cu

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-29 Thread Leif Madsen
On 11-04-29 02:59 AM, Olle E. Johansson wrote: > > 29 apr 2011 kl. 01.49 skrev Leif Madsen: > >> Well the issue is that we currently have over 900 open issues in the Asterisk >> project alone, and with only one primary bug marshal (myself) sometimes >> things >> accidentally get closed if it loo

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-29 Thread satish patel
ou need to be identified with services /JOIN #asterisk > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:26:46 +1200 > From: li...@venturevoip.com > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind? > > On 29/04/11 1:16 PM, Ira wrote: &

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-29 Thread Mark Deneen
gt; > /JOIN #asterisk > > > >> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:26:46 +1200 >> From: li...@venturevoip.com >> To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com >> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 >> behind? >> >> On 29/04/11 1:16 PM,

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-29 Thread Richard Zheng
> > Now imagine that 1.4 stays at only security level. For first case we > > have 2 options: upgrading for security reasons to last version but > > then no more voicemail, or staying with 1.4.26. In the second case, > > upgrading both servers to test with 1.8. If it's still not working, it > was ti

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-04-29 Thread Danny Nicholas
To add another shilling to the pot - Asterisk as a whole and 1.4 specifically is a very good product. Problems are introduced (IMHO) when y'all take something that works perfectly well and try to over-engineer it as a "release bell-and-whistle" instead of an add-on. Voicemail and Multi-tenan

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-02 Thread Hans Witvliet
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 21:34 +0200, Olle E. Johansson wrote: > Friends, > > We have a discussion on asterisk-dev about the maintenance of the 1.4 branch. > According to the release plans, support for 1.4 was scheduled to close in > April 2011 - basically now. > After that, only security patches

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-04 Thread Matt Riddell
On 3/05/11 4:01 AM, Hans Witvliet wrote: Just a thought If "Digium" / "the community" realy want an objective way of deciding whether can/should migrate to any other version, you realy need a feature-matrix (pethaps starting from version 1.2.*) And for every and each version a statement if it is

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-04 Thread Flavio Goncalves
My 2 cents. All these problems seem to be lack of focus. Digium, please stop doing everything to everyone. Too many versions, too many features, too many code, too many bugs. Following the Pareto's principle, 80% of the users use only 20% of the code. My suggestion is to start thinking of Asterisk

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-04 Thread Olivier
2011/5/5 Flavio Goncalves > but stuffing Asterisk with > many new features on each version does not seem to be contributing to > the stability of the code or the migration to newer versions. > yes but it seems to me that code stability is improving. Maybe next 1.10.0 version will be "productio

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-04 Thread Cary Fitch
_ From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Olivier Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 11:33 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Olle E. Johansson
5 maj 2011 kl. 05.28 skrev Flavio Goncalves: > My 2 cents. All these problems seem to be lack of focus. Digium, > please stop doing everything to everyone. Too many versions, too many > features, too many code, too many bugs. Following the Pareto's > principle, 80% of the users use only 20% of th

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Olle E. Johansson
5 maj 2011 kl. 06.33 skrev Olivier: > > > 2011/5/5 Flavio Goncalves > > but stuffing Asterisk with > many new features on each version does not seem to be contributing to > the stability of the code or the migration to newer versions. > > yes but it seems to me that code stability is improv

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Paul Hayes
On 05/05/11 05:41, Cary Fitch wrote: Flavio E. Goncalves www.asteriskguide.com Compare to which version of Windows… Patches are a never ending process Cary Fitch I think this attitude is half the problem. Asterisk is not a desktop computer

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Olle E. Johansson
5 maj 2011 kl. 12.04 skrev Paul Hayes: > On 05/05/11 05:41, Cary Fitch wrote: >> >> >>Flavio E. Goncalves >>www.asteriskguide.com >> >>Compare to which version of Windows… Patches are a never ending process >> >>Cary Fitch >> >> > > I think th

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Paul Belanger
On 11-05-04 06:01 PM, Matt Riddell wrote: On 3/05/11 4:01 AM, Hans Witvliet wrote: Just a thought If "Digium" / "the community" realy want an objective way of deciding whether can/should migrate to any other version, you realy need a feature-matrix (pethaps starting from version 1.2.*) And for

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Ira
At 07:56 AM 5/5/2011, you wrote: So how can we fix this? How can we get more people involded? What makes projects like FedoraTesting[3] and DebianTesting[4] popular? How can the Asterisk project reproduce their success? Well, it's not a lot of people willing to run beta software on their p

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Bryant Zimmerman
From: "Ira" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 12:38 PM To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind? At 07:56 AM 5/5/2011, you wrote: >So h

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Paul Belanger
On 11-05-05 12:30 PM, Ira wrote: At 07:56 AM 5/5/2011, you wrote: So how can we fix this? How can we get more people involded? What makes projects like FedoraTesting[3] and DebianTesting[4] popular? How can the Asterisk project reproduce their success? Well, it's not a lot of people willing to

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Mark Deneen
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Paul Belanger wrote: > On 11-05-05 12:30 PM, Ira wrote: > >> At 07:56 AM 5/5/2011, you wrote: >> >>> So how can we fix this? How can we get more people involded? What >>> makes projects like FedoraTesting[3] and DebianTesting[4] popular? How >>> can the Asterisk pr

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Paul Belanger
On 11-05-05 04:11 PM, Mark Deneen wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Paul Belanger wrote: On 11-05-05 12:30 PM, Ira wrote: At 07:56 AM 5/5/2011, you wrote: So how can we fix this? How can we get more people involded? What makes projects like FedoraTesting[3] and DebianTesting[4] popula

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Ira
At 01:07 PM 5/5/2011, you wrote: I am not saying using production servers to test, rather reproducing your production setups in a test environment. You would then create test plans or test cases of the features you use in Asterisk. Once documented, for each and every RC of Asterisk you go thr

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Matt Riddell
On 6/05/11 8:35 AM, Ira wrote: At 01:07 PM 5/5/2011, you wrote: I am not saying using production servers to test, rather reproducing your production setups in a test environment. You would then create test plans or test cases of the features you use in Asterisk. Once documented, for each and eve

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Ira
At 03:00 PM 5/5/2011, you wrote: Yes, but in my world there is one Atom powerd Linux box running Asterisk, 4 or 5 Windows machines and 2 Macs. If I want to test, it has to be on my production box and I'm more than happy to run beta software on that box. My comment is just that the protocol for m

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Matt Riddell
On 6/05/11 3:14 PM, Ira wrote: At 03:00 PM 5/5/2011, you wrote: Yes, but in my world there is one Atom powerd Linux box running Asterisk, 4 or 5 Windows machines and 2 Macs. If I want to test, it has to be on my production box and I'm more than happy to run beta software on that box. My comment

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-05 Thread Sherwood McGowan
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Matt Riddell wrote: > On 6/05/11 3:14 PM, Ira wrote: > >> At 03:00 PM 5/5/2011, you wrote: >> >> Yes, but in my world there is one Atom powerd Linux box running Asterisk, 4 or 5 Windows machines and 2 Macs. If I want to test, it has to be on my producti

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-06 Thread Andrew Joakimsen
I am still using Asterisk 1.4 because of the Asterisk GUI. I don't understand why it was ever dropped, it's easy to setup (no SQL databases), quick, works well and in my experiance it gets along with manual config file changes. The only real issue I've encountered with 1.4 is Digium can't seem to

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-06 Thread Ira
At 01:07 PM 5/5/2011, you wrote: Fair enough, what are some examples of questions you have? It only takes a moment to create a new wiki page and start documenting them. If you willing to provide the questions and feedback, I'm more then happy to write them on the wiki. So to start, I'm a us

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-06 Thread Olle E. Johansson
5 maj 2011 kl. 18.30 skrev Ira: > At 07:56 AM 5/5/2011, you wrote: >> So how can we fix this? How can we get more people involded? What makes >> projects like FedoraTesting[3] and DebianTesting[4] popular? How can the >> Asterisk project reproduce their success? > > Well, it's not a lot of

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-06 Thread Watkins, Bradley
> >Thanks for the feedback, Ira. It makes me very sad to hear what you say and I >hope that we can get more resources from the community to assist in the >process to make it more friendly. We want to get those bug reports. The one >thing I hate to hear when I'm travelling at conferences is that "oh

Re: [asterisk-users] Discussion: Are we ready to leave 1.4 behind?

2011-05-06 Thread Ira
At 05:39 AM 5/6/2011, you wrote: Thanks for the feedback, Ira. It makes me very sad to hear what you say and I hope that we can get more resources from the community to assist in the process to make it more friendly. We want to get those bug reports. The one thing I hate to hear when I'm trave