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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Blind people seem irrationally terrified of things like braces and mice. ... crap why didn't someone pull an "Eek! A mouse!" when Swamp was new? ... OK, I guess because that'd've been mean.Well, I'm better than that. I'm irrationa

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head I believe C-based languages use braces. Indenting is a great habit to get in to regardless of language though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/415880/#p415880 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Hi, python is by far the best language for me out there. i can't make great apps yet, but i am on my way. every day i am learning some thing new with python. the indentation was bad for me at first to get use to, but once you get the hang

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head The best thing that has happened to me is Python. Never thought I'd say that, but I'm so glad to have left BGT behind.For those who want to use it, have fun. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/415848/#p415848 -- Audiogames-reflector

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @41, again, what Ironcross32 and I have been trying to tell you is still perfectly acceptable. Most clones and crap these days have been (partially) because of BGT and its simplicity. Someone can just get the source code of these games and run

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Isn't that what we want? I know I do. I'm tired of the crap out there, let's see someone put in some actual effort. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414800/#p414800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Re: Post 39.If I did misinterpret your post, it's only because I was trying to follow your own example as you kept completely missing the point of my arguments on this subject earlier. I hope I made you proud, sensei.However, I'm not sure how

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Re: Post 39.Well, I was trying to follow your own example as you kept completely missing the point of my arguments on this subject earlier. I hope I made you proud, sensei.Kai URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414772/#p414772

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head How about we don't "weed out" anybody and instead learn that you don't have to answer to every single topic? You don't like BGT, very simple. Ignore the topic and let somebody who likes it help a newbie. If there are no such people, e

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @32, nice way of completely (and deliberately, I think) misinterpreting my post. We don't weed out the newbies/inexperienced to keep only experts. We weed out those people who are unwilling to take the time to actually learn Python or another

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Pygame is picky with regards to when and how you init the mixer. If you call pygame.init, you need to call pygame.mixer.pre_init (with the parameters fitting your sounds), but if you don't call pygame.init, you should call pygame.mixer.init. ... I

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head I am currently making a game in Python.Since it just uses the terminal to output text and it's accessible, I don't need sound hahahahaha!I'm sometimes forgetting indentation since I'm used to BGT, but that also helped me to get used to some things

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head that's exactly, one of  the Reasons why i don't use python URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414674/#p414674 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head I need both, but yeah especially the sound. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414643/#p414643 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head IDK, my java games are exactly as crappy as the BGT ports. Of course, they broke Javasound, so it's not like I can port them back (and reintroduce the Java-born problems).Someone who charges $5-20 to get people to the point where audio and redist

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head I didn't read 28 that way at all. I read it as a rebuttal to my post previous to that, suggesting that forcing python or other languages on people is a discouragement to the inexperienced. Which I can agree with, my viewpoint is though, if you're

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Re: Post 28.So... You want to get rid of inexperienced developers who are learning the craft, thereby keeping people from ever learning, and only the experts can stick around? I think you'll find this narrow-minded view slightly self-destructive

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head precisely. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414595/#p414595 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @28, by discouraging the inexperienced you are filtering out those who won't take the time and effort into making good audio games. If we weed those out, we'll get high quality audio games, and good audio game developers as a result because they'll

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head That's kind of the point, make it too easy, and the content produced is no good at all. Make them put in some effort to learn the stuff, and they do a better job because they'd have quit otherwise. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414574

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head And discourages the inexperienced. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414571/#p414571 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head I don't see a lot of cooks in the kitchen though, or to further the analogy, a chaos of open oven doors, malformed batters, burnt cake, etc. The situation doesn't look good. Here's the thing though, Python will stop you cold, in other words, you

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head The reason that there aren't any good audio games hasn't got anything to do with the language used. It has everything to do with the fact that there just aren't that many experienced developers working on them. There's a lot of people with pie

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Even the guys who have relied on BGT as a staple of their development have moved away from it. All the new games that have come out with it are not really good. Mostly coding exercises for people. Some of those have potential, but were released

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head I have a big ECTAS CHANGELOG I've been sitting on, if that counts? (It doesn't count.) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414529/#p414529 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head oh yeah I can't even play a god damn sound in python, its infuriating.Also, point me at a game that has come out recently, or has been recently updated that's written in BGT. Not many contenders, as RS has shut down. I guess FF is still running. OK

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head People expect AAA quality from modern audio games. That's just not happening without a budget. Who is making audio games with a decent budget? cause The Gate was somewhere in the neighborhood of $1k, and people still complained about the sounds

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @21 BK3 was coded in HSPAlso many flaws have already been pointed out in BGT, its author has pretty much urged no further use of it. Perhaps urged is too strong a word, perhaps publiclly disclaimed use of it. There is also the fact that BGT in its

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Re: Post 19.I think the fact that you keep pointing out more and more flaws as perceived by you neatly illustrates the fact that you're just not getting the point I'm trying to get across. I'm also not mentioning anywhere that you would be mandated

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @18, you and I shall have to agree to disagree, then. I'd rather help someone develop a game in Python, help them build it, and distribute it, and make the installation and setup of the game as painless as possible, rather than having users jump

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @18, you and I shall have to agree to disagree, then. I'd rather help someone develop a game in Python, help them build it, and distribute it, and make the installation and setup of the game as painless as possible, rather than having users jump

Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head

Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @18, you and I shall have to agree to disagree, then. I'd rather help someone develop a game in Python, help them build it, and distribute it, and make the installation and setup of the game as painless as possible, rather than having users jump

Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head

Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @18, you and I shall have to agree to disagree, then. I'd rather help someone develop a game in Python, help them build it, and distribute it, and make the installation and setup of the game as painless as possible, rather than having users jump

Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head

Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @18, you and I shall have to agree to disagree, then. I'd rather help someone develop a game in Python, help them build it, and distribute it, and make the installation and setup of the game as painless as possible, rather than having users jump

Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head

Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @18, you and I shall have to agree to disagree, then. I'd rather help someone develop a game in Python, help them build it, and distribute it, and make the installation and setup of the game as painless as possible, rather than having users jump

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Re: Post 17.I again reiterate, if a person learning or using BGT is cognicent of these pitfalls and is still fine with using the language, why do you still have so many issues with them using it? Is their use of the language personally importuning

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @15, the AV issue is one reason. The lack of 3D is another. The poor networking and DLL support is another. The vendor lock-in is another. And so on. Your comparison doesn't make much sense, unfortunately. BGT's not even a programming language. Oh

Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head

Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @15, the AV issue is one reason. The lack of 3D is another. The poor networking and DLL support is another. The vendor lock-in is another. And so on. Your comparison doesn't make much sense, unfortunately. BGT's not even a programming language. Oh

Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head

Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @15, the AV issue is one reason. The lack of 3D is another. The poor networking and DLL support is another. The vendor lock-in is another. And so on. Your comparison doesn't make much sense, unfortunately. BGT's not even a programming language.@16

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head I wonder if a signed BGT program would pass as valid for an antivirus software. You know, if the certificate has already some reputation the executable file would inherit such reputation in smartscreen and that should work similarly in AV'S. URL

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Re: Post 12.You're completely missing the point. I'm neither arguing the merits of BGT over Python, nor Python over BGT. Re-read my postings. I'm saying let people code how they will and learn as they wish with what they wish. As long

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @12, I could argue that Python teaches you programming concepts as well. Ironcross32 has a point when he says that your average user (most of the people on here in other words) are not going to want to add a game to windows defender just to play

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Hi,I have used Python for basically whatever I do and release to the public. It was not the first language I learnt, but by far is the one which I can feel more confident with over the years. I understand people arguing that C/C++ is better, faster

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Re: Post 4.BGT may be over for *you*, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a crime for someone else to use it. If this is the first language they started with, it's probably the easiest one, and it introduces them to programming concepts

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Re: Post 4.BGT may be over for *you*, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a crime for someone else to use it. If this is the first language they started with, it's probably the easiest one, and it introduces them to programming concepts

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Oh and regarding tk, the thing is completely inaccessible, when you create a frame and add controls to it, you have literally no access to said controls. The screen reader acts as if it's focused on a void or something. URL: https

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head hi,regarding c/c++:1. you require libraries, even sometimes you should compile them yourself.so, this is invalid.2. unfortunately, c++ isn't like bgt, although bgt's syntax is similar to c++. you will know what i'm saying when you grasp the pointers

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @2. Don't know what to sayHorrible sintax? I don't know, isn't the horrible sintax a matter of opinion?About the indentation, that can be hard if you've never used it, but I ensure you that c++ stile guides actually tell to follow even if minimal

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @5, let's see... allow me to amend to your list of compilers... ah, here we go: Watcom, Intel C/C++, Tiny C Compiler, Digital Mars C/C++, Borland... I could go on. And yeah, fully agree with you on the external dependencies thing. C++ can get

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @2. Don't know what to sayHorrible sintax? I don't know, isn't the horrible sintax a matter of opinion?About the indentation, that can be hard if you've never used it, but I ensure you that c++ stile guides actually use documentation. URL: https

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @5, let's see... allow me to amend to your list of compilers... ah, here we go: Watcom, Intel C/C++, Tiny C Compiler, Digital Mars C/C++, Borland... I could go on. And yeah, fully agree with you on the external dependencies thing. C++ can get

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head I agree with Kai. I don't know why people code shame. If someone wants to start with BGT there's nothing wrong with that. If they want to move on later because they found some limitation they weren't comfortable with than that's cool too. At least

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head @2 Regarding indentation, its something you should be doing anyway, if you're not, then don't ever expect to contribute to any open source projects or really collaborate with any other sighted devs.@4 BGT is over, its done, its time to move on. Just

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Does python even have a head?I've been successfully using python for quite a few years now, and it's served most all my needs if not more. Aside from being hands down one of the easiest yet most functional languages out there, you can most likely

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head My question is why do you feel the need to scream at people who want to use BGT? I see it as a bunch of people screaming at people that they should stop using a shovel to dig holes in the ground, demanding that they now embrace the excavator. Never

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head For me indentation isn't an issue, though I am just learning Java, and I was taught to pay attention to indentation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414446/#p414446 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head Yep, Python isn't always great. For one thing, you need an external module to compile Python in to .exe files. For another, it has horrible syntax and requires indentation. And then there's the thing you got into with it. I would use BGT or C

I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head

I Wanna Smack Python Upside the Head *** WARNING: Rant topic ahead ***Holy crap, do I just want to rage, because it seems no matter what I wanna do with Python, it just throws up road blocks in my face. Like, every little thing that can go wrong does go wrong. For instance, PyAudio