opaqueice Wrote:
You persist in trying to draw this artificial distinction. I'm tired of
arguing about it, so I'll just say this once more:
if you correctly hear a difference X times out of Y attempts, you will
have provided evidence for (or against, depending on X/Y) for the
assertion
I haven't got my hands on a SB3 yet, but I'm plotting how I could use
one. Since I have various currently unused bits of hifi kit stored
away, I was considering plugging the SB directly into a power amp and
using the volume control on the SB. I previously used this amp
connected directly to a
Well, I have just been running the JBL LSR25P for a day now.
They really are impressive and I am now completely sold on the whole
active speaker concept. They have a real speed to the bottom end that
I have not heard in my main passive system (and that amp/speaker combo
cost £4k).
I really
Hi,
I'm connected directly to a Naim power amp and have no problems. The
sb does indeed remember the last volume setting. That said, I
believe there are some concerns raised by Slim Devices which you may
want to seek out in previous threads.
Chris
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Same here, no problems and great sound.
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vdorta
DIY computer (EAC/FLAC) -- wireless SB2 (Bolder digital analog mods,
Sonicap Platinum bypass caps, Bolder Deluxe Power Supply) -- Stello
M200 monos -- ACI Sapphire XLs on dedicated Sound Anchors and REL
Storm III | JMT PPA headamp with custom
Hi,
I am in the wrong part of the world to recomend an amp but I would
consider the following.
1. At 75 feet I would guess you will have problems with unbalanced
cnnection ie the analogue out.
2. If you are not planning to connect any other sources to the amp,
look for a neat, powerful
P Floding Wrote:
Sure, I'm interested, but at the moment I have cloth-ears due to a
cold. I'm also reluctant to involve people in helping out with A/B'ing.
(And I hardly have time to even listen at the moment -let alone A/B.)
I find it really hard to understand you. You first claim there
You may want to consider some kind of passive attenuation. The reasons
have been discussed in several threads before.
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interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound
Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz
P Floding Wrote:
That is not really a valid thought-experiment.
The skin of the bass drum is not a window into all sound you hear. Not
from the band, and not even from that particular drum.
Except there's no way it's possible to hear this absolute phase except
(maybe) for very low
opaqueice Wrote:
Except there's no way it's possible to hear this absolute phase except
(maybe) for very low frequency sounds like a bass drum. The more I
think about this the more silly this seems. Even if you could hear the
difference it won't have anything to do with the original sound.
opaqueice Wrote:
I find it really hard to understand you. You first claim there is a
difference, AS A RESULT of having A/B'ed (albeit in an uncontrolled
way) and now you're reluctant to involve people in helping out with
A/B'ing, whatever that means.
Anyway, thanks for the discussion -
P Floding Wrote:
I found this, which seems a good start:
http://www.audioauctionhouse.co.uk/acoustic_polarity.htm
From that article:
There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. No one who performed these
experiments ever seems to have evaluated the audibility of reversal of
direction
Just to answer a specific question of yours:
the_twin Wrote:
Does the SB remember the last volume setting when you switch it off? I
don't want to blow my speakers to heaven by mistake!
The volume setting is retained when you switch the SB into and out of
standby. I've not noticed what happens
opaqueice Wrote:
From that article:
Sorry, but this guy is a total nutjob...
It seems to have escaped you that the guy contradicting him was equaly
convinced about wire directionality, as are many others in the high-end
industry. I agree, however, that particular guy wasn't the most
the_twin Wrote:
I haven't got my hands on a SB3 yet, but I'm plotting how I could use
one. Since I have various currently unused bits of hifi kit stored
away, I was considering plugging the SB directly into a power amp and
using the volume control on the SB. I previously used this amp
P Floding Wrote:
It seems to have escaped you that the guy contradicting him was equaly
convinced about wire directionality, as are many others in the high-end
industry.
Actually, what amazed me (and caused me to stop reading) was that they
agreed on that...
In any case, this demonstrates
P Floding Wrote:
It seems to have escaped you that the guy contradicting him was equaly
convinced about wire directionality, as are many others in the high-end
industry. I agree, however, that particular guy wasn't the most
well-rounded character (most free-thinkers seem to be a bit
opaqueice Wrote:
Actually, what amazed me (and caused me to stop reading) was that they
agreed on that...
In any case, this demonstrates rather nicely that not only are absolute
phases inaudible in music, so are _relative_ phases, which one might
have expected to actually matter (note
Could someone kindly show me how to put back firmware 15 into the latest
Slim Server v6.2.2? I attempted to do it without any luck, so now my
squeezebox can't connect to server at all.
Thanks.
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No, of course, that's true. The point is that the vibrations traveling
through air are tiny (in water even moreso), and even though we can
hear them because our ears are very sensitive, the change in absolute
pressure is very small. The change in pressure you make by waving your
hand in front of
dwc Wrote:
Don't believe the hype.
I totally agree. What's gotten in the water around here? Hey, here's an
idea, next time I go for a walk, I'll make sure to reverse my polarity.
I'll start with my left foot forward. It should make a big difference.
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SB3-Derek Shek
ezkcdude Wrote:
No, of course, that's true. The point is that the vibrations traveling
through air are tiny (in water even moreso), and even though we can
hear them because our ears are very sensitive, the change in absolute
pressure is very small. The change in pressure you make by waving
Nothing against the Monica but it has very low output.
I left Monica some time ago for a modified Lite DAC-AH and have never
looked back.
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Horizons
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For Heavens sake - there is NOTHING magical about FW15 - going back 20
odd versions is just silly. IT WILL NOT SOUND ANY BETTER. It may sound
worse...
(and yes I did try it - and no I am not deaf)
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Phil
I happen to agree with this last post from PF. However, aside from a
simple bass drum and the infamous garage door slam, you'll never hear
the effect in practice, because aside from these sort of sounds with a
distinctly directional 0Hz or DC initial transient impulse
everything else to do with
Phil Leigh Wrote:
I happen to agree with this last post from PF. However, aside from a
simple bass drum and the infamous garage door slam, you'll never hear
the effect in practice, because aside from these sort of sounds with a
distinctly directional 0Hz or DC initial transient impulse
ezkcdude Wrote:
I totally agree. What's gotten in the water around here? Hey, here's an
idea, next time I go for a walk, I'll make sure to reverse my polarity.
I'll start with my left foot forward. It should make a big difference.
It depends on what you are walking on. If there is a great
Aren't inverting op amps mostly to blame for reversing polarity?
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SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2
interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound
Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton
Titanic 10 subwoofer
ezkcdude wrote:
Aren't inverting op amps mostly to blame for reversing polarity?
Only in badly designed circuits.
One would usually use them in pairs to preserve polarity.
R.
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P Floding Wrote:
I don't think any RCL circuit will actually invert any signal.. (Again I
think time delay is being confused with polarity inversion. The fact
that time delay is measured in degrees at a certain frequency seems to
be the reason for this confusion.)
I'm not sure anyone is
You know, the gravitational field of the moon and planets in our solar
system act on the earth's atmosphere. The effect is similar to tides:
if a planet is directly over our heads the atmosphere will be slightly
less dense than if it is off to the side. When the atmospheric
pressure is lower,
opaqueice Wrote:
I'm not sure anyone is confused by this, except possibly you. It's not
a coincidence that time delays are measured in degrees - it's usually
much more convenient to use that notation. Polarity inversion, as you
call it, is simply a 180 degree phase shift across all
opaqueice Wrote:
You know, the gravitational field of the moon and planets in our solar
system act on the earth's atmosphere. The effect is similar to tides:
if a planet is directly over our heads the atmosphere will be slightly
less dense than if it is off to the side. When the
I believe there are audible differences even when using the digital out.
Perhaps I was expecting a change, but I did clearly hear a difference
between firmware 48 and 15. I am using a Lite Audio DAC-60.
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crooner
P Floding Wrote:
Anyway, why not consider that this is the Audiophile section, and give
at least a little leeway to those of us who can actually hear
differences?
Yeah, you would think the ear police would stop at the door.
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vdorta
DIY computer (EAC/FLAC) -- wireless SB2 (Bolder digital
P Floding Wrote:
Why don't you just leave the Audiophile forum alone, instead of
trolling? I don't think you or anyone else here has the right to try to
restrict the scope of the idéas discussed here.
That was intended as a joke... I was only trying to insert a little
humor into the
opaqueice Wrote:
That was intended as a joke... I was only trying to insert a little
humor into the discussion. I sincerely apologize if it offended you.
Yeah, I'm starting to understand that :-). Meanwhile, I at least have
learned a lot from parts of this discussion, and thanks to
P Floding Wrote:
Apology accepted.
Anything can be joked about -but these kind of jokes are wearing a
little thin nowdays -especially when coming from a sceptic after a long
exchange. I'm usually fairly patient, and if anyone has even a glimmer
of a doubt about the measurement is king
Deaf Cat Wrote:
For dinky pretty little power amps could have a look a Cyrus?
http://www.cyrusaudio.com/content.asp?ContentID=21
Thanks for the tip. That's a nice little device. I'm in the US, so
I'd have to address the voltage conversion (they say they support 60
hz). The price is a
Parasound Zamp v.3, I have one and I love it. 45W/channel and
audio-sense power-on. Perfect for my app!
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Jetlag Wrote:
Parasound Zamp v.3, I have one and I love it. 45W/channel and
audio-sense power-on. Perfect for my app!
That looks perfect for me. Know anywhere that sells on the Internet?
I'm about 3 hrs from the closest dealer.
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I would want to know if someone can answer these two questions in a not
too esoteric way:
I'm looking for an external DAC and heard very good things about the
attraction DAC http://www.mother-of-tone.com/attraction.htm.
On this DAC there is a possibility to add a module with switchable
Hi,
I don't have any experience of this DAC but I use the standalone UPCI
and JISCO units between my TACT 2.2x DAC. This setup made a big
difference to my SB2 (and now SB3) in terms of removing the last traces
of digititis (digital glare?) from my system. It was a much bigger
improvement than
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