Does it really make a difference what pov you hold , those that believe
have fun in their beliefs and they percieve value in their fancy capble
choices (I too use kimber D60 and orchid AES/EBU and am quite happy with
the pric I paid and the thought that im using the best so not missing
anything)
Rodney_Gold;276288 Wrote:
The transporter is ideal for the ATC's cos it has the balanced outputs
and a better DAC than the SB. ...
The only caveat I can think of is that the ATC's are particularily
revealing speakers and the transporter and it's inbuilt dac DAC are
also no holds barred
I dunno bout the high level noise thing at all? Dispensing with a pre
should be ok, Currently im using the TACT in bypass mode as a pre ,
also digital domain attenuation ...it prolly also colours the signal
somewhat.
Im not sure what volume level the transporter defaults to on startup or
if you
opaqueice;276261 Wrote:
I already did. I'm not going to repeat myself if you can't be bothered
to read my posts.
There are always an infinite number of conditional clauses to every
statement. Adult human beings know how to communicate anyway (except
sometimes when they don't want to
tomjtx;276282 Wrote:
that is an interesting link. Steve Eddy is an excellent debater and his
posts on AC and other forums are always interesting.
He is an objectivist cable skeptic that manufactures cables, what's not
to love?
I totally agree - I think he has exactly the right attitude,
Well to some this hoppy is about building the hifi equlant to a
formular one car so the can listen to ther favorit music as
uncompromized as possible.
I beleive that therer are alot of crap hifi gear out there that are
horrorbly overpriced that dont give me eny more amazement or joy
over a
highfi;276294 Wrote:
I understand the Transporter can produce a high level noise which can
damage the ATC's (or ears) if used without a preamp?
There was a bug some time ago, IIRC on the SB not the TP, that could
result in a full-level white noise signal being sent out. If your
speakers
I am not an expert. Amateur/fun.
I can picture to my self that there is no problem connecting
Transporter or DAC1 USB directly to active speakers. In addition they
will have a function like preamps, dont they?
Since you can have two computers, cd player etc connected and switch
between them
Timothy Stockman wrote:
Which is why one should use only the finest, gold-plated coathangers.
:)
But, only if they keep their original form/shape. They are no longer
coathangers if you take a coathanger and straighten it out. That changes
everything (size impact capacitance, impedence, etc.
The balanced outputs arent attenuable , the ATC's use balanced inputs. I
see there is a Preamp vol setting , but one would have to either set
this low to avoid potential damage , but then this would be applying
attenuation in the digital domain , or set it low and then reset it to
full when
I would suggest you look at Audiogon.
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tomjtx;276284 Wrote:
It means the gear may have a scratch or two, may have been a demo, may
have been a returned item. As such it will have audiophile cooties
which will seriously degrade the sound.
Ask Opaqueice about this. He is a physicist and can explain the effect
cooties have on the
tomjtx;276284 Wrote:
It means the gear may have a scratch or two, may have been a demo, may
have been a returned item. As such it will have audiophile cooties
which will seriously degrade the sound.
Ask Opaqueice about this. He is a physicist and can explain the effect
cooties have on the
I see, thanks!
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You can buy balanced attenuators which will solve the problem.
One of the posters, CliveB I think, runs his Transporter directly into
SCM100s with no pre between. I think it's a good idea.
Darren
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Rodney_Gold;276288 Wrote:
I find the EQ plugin a pain , cos it doesnt change stuff instantly and
it applys so me sort of attenuation if you use it.
Inguz has automatic gain adjustment but, in case it gets it wrong, a
gain parameter can be tweaked to make the gain optimal.
(But I agree this
Why not run the SB directly to small active speakers?
Are you looking for sonic quality or just the ability to control via
rS232? What speakers are you intending to buy?
Whats your total budget for the whole kaboodle , including cables?
What senns are you using? A set of 580's + a headphone amp
opaqueice;276376 Wrote:
(However I should note that the experimental fact that volatile
compounds evaporating from nearby flasks containing alcohol solutions
seem to have a mysterious effect which evidently compensates quite
satisfactorily for these deleterious consequences.)
Is Bourbon
As far as arguing with opaqueice. It's like aruging with a pig, you get
dirty and the pig just enjoys it.
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As far as arguing with opaqueice. It's like aruging with a pig, you get
dirty and the pig just enjoys it.
I've reached that conclusion several times, then I think I'll just have
another go. Pointless. He has one argument, and trots it out all the
time, regardless of the topic in
highdudgeon;63382 Wrote:
I'm wondering how many people have done careful listening comparing the
Squeezebox with and without a high-end external DAC? IE, is there much
benefit to be gained? Little? None at all?
Personally, I think it sounds quite good. I do have a re-clocking DAC
on
Rodney_Gold;276360 Wrote:
Perhaps a plugin can be written or something can be put in software to
preset a volume when the transporter/sb powers up , like set a default
start volume where it could NEVER output at full vol if something goes
wrong.
The problem was, the white noise of death
It's not just the white noise of death phenomenon you have to worry
about though. The volume is not only digital, but controlled by some
pretty complex software. E.g. there was a bug where the Controller
would shoot up to max volume after a certain sequence of events. Loud
music isn't as bad as
eiret;276341 Wrote:
I can picture to my self that there is no problem connecting Transporter
or DAC1 USB directly to active speakers. In addition they will have a
function like preamps, dont they?
Wrong. NEVER do this. You need attenuators. This is both for sound
quality and safety reasons
ErikM;276427 Wrote:
As far as arguing with opaqueice. It's like aruging with a pig, you get
dirty and the pig just enjoys it.
If you can't be civil, be silent.
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opaqueice;276522 Wrote:
If you can't be civil, be silent.
I'll second that. O hasn't done anything to merit that kind of
rudeness.
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opaqueice;276522 Wrote:
If you can't be civil, be silent.
Pot/kettle.
tomjtx wrote:
I'll second that. O hasn't done anything to merit that kind of
rudeness.
I thought it was quite an amusing analogy.
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opaqueice;276522 Wrote:
If you can't be civil, be silent.
In a place where something is or could be located; a site; you should
locate some self-security and CIVIL manners, for a civil society where
acceptance when you are wrong says good things about you and the
humbleness to accept other
Robin Bowes;276536 Wrote:
Pot/kettle.
Oh, really?
Would you please point where in this thread I've called anyone a pig
and/or said anything else equivalently rude?
When your best arguments are childish insults, you've long since lost
the debate. I guess I was right when I said the truth
In any case, I believe the expression is like _wrestling_ with a pig.
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seanadams;276551 Wrote:
In any case, I believe the expression is like _wrestling_ with a pig.
:)
Maybe he prefers arguing with them. That way he might actually have a
shot at winning.
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Thanks to all for the input.
Why not run the SB directly to small active speakers?
Are you looking for sonic quality or just the ability to control via
rS232? What speakers are you intending to buy?
Whats your total budget for the whole kaboodle , including cables?
What senns are you
Actually pigs are more intelligent than apes and dolphins according to
some studies. Although I have reason to believe opaqueice could be even
more intelligent than that.
Robin Bowes;275854 Wrote:
Yes, there are some v. expensive cables out there that will not
perform any better than good
darrenyeats;276581 Wrote:
Actually pigs are more intelligent than apes and dolphins according to
some studies. Although I have reason to believe opaqueice could be even
more intelligent than that.
According to some studies some cables sound better than others.
According to some studies
Pale Blue Ego;276538 Wrote:
SACD isn't dead, though it's mostly being used by classical and
specialty labels like Telarc and MFSL.
Nope - it is dead.
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU -
GuyDebord;276548 Wrote:
In a place where something is or could be located; a site; you should
locate some self-security and CIVIL manners, for a civil society where
acceptance when you are wrong says good things about you and the
humbleness to accept other points of view and debate them
opaqueice said:
I guess I was right when I said the truth hurts.
And which truth would this be?
You haven't addressed what I've said at all.
Just the same old rant.
yawn
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eiret;276341 Wrote:
I am not an expert. Amateur/fun.
I can picture to my self that there is no problem connecting
Transporter or DAC1 USB directly to active speakers. In addition they
will have a function like preamps, dont they?
Since you can have two computers, cd player etc connected
Robin Bowes;276624 Wrote:
And which truth would this be?
That expensive cables are a waste of money and a ripoff, at least if
good audio is your goal.
You haven't addressed what I've said at all.
About the difference between what I said and what you said? I'm not
sure how to make it any
opaqueice;276630 Wrote:
That expensive cables are a waste of money and a ripoff, at least if
good audio is your goal.
About the difference between what I said and what you said? I'm not
sure how to make it any clearer - try re-reading your post where you
quoted the two of us.
GuyDebord;276640 Wrote:
The following links are just a sample of your inconsistencies and also
show how more humble and receptive you were a few months back///
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34163page=3
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34318
??
In the
GuyDebord;276640 Wrote:
This is how can someone become hypocritical in a few months, or has it
always been this way? Please check your previous posts. Please tell us
how is it that you even contradict yourself? is it for the sake of
pretended coolness? or for more mud?
The following
tomjtx;276613 Wrote:
No, it is definitely not the forum talking.
I think Opaquiece has been civil.
Me too. I think Opaqueice speaks for many, and I'm uncomfortable that
some choose to resort to insults in the name of the forum.
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chill;276655 Wrote:
Me too. I think Opaqueice speaks for many, and I'm uncomfortable that
some choose to resort to insults in the name of the forum.
me too, and thats exactly the point, with fundamental and absolutist
unproven arguments and unfounded facts you cannot have a dialogue, less
a
Hi Guys
Firstly, WOW what a device. It's fantastic - I'm amazed at its detail.
I'm running it streaming FLAC audio from a 2TB Nas, its mind blowing.
I've connected its digital output to a Bel Canto DAC3 which connects
into a Musical Fidelity A5 Integrated, powering JM LAB Electra 1007 BE
GuyDebord;27 Wrote:
me too, and thats exactly the point, with fundamental and absolutist
unproven arguments and unfounded facts you cannot have a dialogue, less
a debate, and as you can see, other people consider this an insult.
forget your perfect offering, there is a crack in
Regarding decent signal the radio.com-radio io? Sounds good through only
Squeezebox. Especially jazz, ambient. A bit surpricing since it is
internet radio..
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Kris;276667 Wrote:
Hi Guys
Firstly, WOW what a device. It's fantastic - I'm amazed at its detail.
I'm running it streaming FLAC audio from a 2TB Nas, its mind blowing.
I've connected its digital output to a Bel Canto DAC3 which connects
into a Musical Fidelity A5 Integrated, powering JM
Why don't you try the analog out from the TP and not use the BelCanto
dac.
You might find you like the TP more. One of the advantages of using the
TP dac is that you don't need to use the spdif connection.
Give that a try and let us know what you think.
Just imagine, if you like the TP as much
Thanks for the fast reply. So no issues running the TP at max volume and
controlling it via the amp?
I am running wireless, ill look into running it wired also.
I am actually running the TP into the amp via the analogue outputs
right now, but the bel canto is connected. Ill do some A/B
You may need to attenuate the analogue out of the TP to match it to your
amp.
There are internal jumpers to do this for the RCA outs. For the
balanced outs you'll need to purchase balanced attenuators.
Read the wikis for more info first though.
Darren
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Thanks, ive managed to drop the gain on the Bel Canto a bit and match it
to the TP set at MAX with the MF Amp - works fine...
I may fiddle with jumpers later - now to listen, see if the Bel Canto
DAC makes a difference or not...
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GuyDebord;27 Wrote:
me too, and thats exactly the point, with fundamental and absolutist
unproven arguments and unfounded facts you cannot have a dialogue, less
a debate, and as you can see, other people consider this an insult.
*Sigh*.
You keep launching attacks and claiming these
tomjtx;276668 Wrote:
Guy, I am sorry, but this post doesn't make sense in relation to O. He
is not fundamentalist, has well reasoned arguments and relies on
established scientific data.
Sorry, couldnt keep the promise...
What data?
I hold a professorship in the Netherland's top technical
opaqueice wrote:
Robin Bowes;276624 Wrote:
And which truth would this be?
That expensive cables are a waste of money and a ripoff, at least if
good audio is your goal.
I agree with that. I have said as much, several times in this thread.
I just don't think you can say cables don't matter,
Your last post had at least a little bit of content. Congratulations.
GuyDebord;276702 Wrote:
What data?
Electromagnetic and electronic, plus acoustic, psychacoustic, and a
little of the biology of human hearing.
We know very well both how to predict and how to measure a speaker
cable's
Robin Bowes;276726 Wrote:
I agree with that. I have said as much, several times in this thread.
Fine - let's leave it there, then.
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I would certainly remove the Bel Canto and run the Analog outs of the
Transporter directly into your Musical Fidelity. The Transporter has a
very good DAC and analog stage all of which you are wasting by running
spidf out. You could use a Squeezebox for that scenario. Let us know
what you think.
I dont actually own the bel canto, its on demo with the Transporter but
I've decided i like the TP
I've been listening to the TP on its analogue stage constantly so far,
and do enjoy its sound
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Phil Leigh;276603 Wrote:
Nope - it is dead.
I would list the SACDs released since the first of the year, but you
don't seem interested in any sort of reality-based discussion. Some
people just like to argue, even if it's only with themselves.
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Kris;276773 Wrote:
I dont actually own the bel canto, its on demo with the Transporter but
I've decided i like the TP
I've been listening to the TP on its analogue stage constantly so far,
and do enjoy its sound
Great to hear that.
Now why don't you buy us a round of drinks with all that
ha! not so fast... I'm finding the TP is really really forward with
vocals - sometimes its a bit fautiging, anyone find a similar thing?
its like vocals overtake the musical instruments constantly..
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