Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread pablolie
For the record, my carefully ripped MP3 files sound awesome on the SB, I have not encountered the described issue and kind of doubt I would encounter a scenario like that. Most people, upon playing good burn-in and test CDs (such as Sheffleid Labs) discover that their systems have frequency

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread Phil Leigh
Nonreality;311296 Wrote: No, I don't want to hurt my old speakers. :( I just don't think that he should be berated because he uses a format that some don't consider up to their standards. But I think you have to be patient also because it's not a huge thing. They should fix the replay

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread sikahr
Phil Leigh;311416 Wrote: I'm not berating anyone! The OP keeps ignoring the fact that: the issue is buried in the noisefloor of most systems there is no evidence that anyone else has ever noticed the issue there is a simple workaround (convert mp3 to flac) that fixes the problem. Phil,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RME ADI-2 - External DAC issue

2008-06-13 Thread Zardoz
Hi EricM, hi Nonreality, @Eric: thanks for mentioning other DAC candidates, I've read about them but I'm not willing to spend the necessary 1000€s. Then I'd rather go with the Transporter. The RME-DAC was just a test to what extend a midprice external DAC can contribute to the sound.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread sikahr
andynormancx;311449 Wrote: I Is it possible to get it to transcode from MP3 to FLAC ? At least then those few people who are really affected (MP3 users, with very good amps and music with quiet passages) could have an easy work-around without having to convert all their MP3s. Transcoding

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread sikahr
andynormancx;311449 Wrote: I've listened and I'm afraid your samples just prove the previous point that the artefacts are swamped by the noise floor of a typical non-audiophile sound system. Yes I can hear the artefacts very clearly when I turn up my amp way beyond where I would normally

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread sikahr
andynormancx;311449 Wrote: you'd have to have a much quieter amp than mine for it to be noticable. I mostly listen with Sennheiser HD580 and dirt cheap homemade CMOY headphone amp with burr-brown opamp. Peace, Nenad -- sikahr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...

2008-06-13 Thread slimkid
Howard Passman;311247 Wrote: a magnifying glass ;-) Magnifying glass - that's so analog. Try zooming in in the digital domain ('+' and '-' buttons on you controller), that might help. K -- slimkid Where does the light go when you turn the switch off?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...

2008-06-13 Thread wendellkb
I have the duet receiver and found the sound to be acceptable using the built in DAC but nowhere near as good as that of my 8 year old cambridge audio cd player. After much debate between getting either the benchmark, ps audio or for something completely different, the cambridge audio 840c cd

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does the Transporter outperform SACD (2ch)?

2008-06-13 Thread DCtoDaylight
They're not making much money, which is why it's in the death spiral, but it was Sony's hope that they would make the kind of money CD's earned them Interesting idea that DSD was invented as an archival format. Both your links seem to originate from the same source (or one copied from the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does the Transporter outperform SACD (2ch)?

2008-06-13 Thread siriuslycold
DCtoDaylight;311525 Wrote: They're not making much money, which is why it's in the death spiral, but it was Sony's hope that they would make the kind of money CD's earned them Interesting idea that DSD was invented as an archival format. Both your links seem to originate from the

roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!

2008-06-13 Thread killie99
I truly believe I have now seen everything. This has to be the snake oil of all snake oils .. http://www.avland.co.uk/denon/akdl1/akdl1.htm -- killie99 Musical Fidelity KW250S, Impulse H2 speakers oh, and an SB3

Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!

2008-06-13 Thread jaffacake
An alternative viewpoint: http://www.uberreview.com/2008/06/ultra-premium-denon-link-cable-is-both-hilarious-and-shameful.htm -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net

Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!

2008-06-13 Thread slimkid
so, let's see how long before somebody here claims that in his system, to his ears this cable ... :) K -- slimkid Where does the light go when you turn the switch off? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMNuuFSvN0

Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!

2008-06-13 Thread jaffacake
I used one to connect my SBR to my SC server and it seems to have really brought out the mid-range, the vocals are much clearer and there's extra shine on the percussion. lmao. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does the Transporter outperform SACD (2ch)?

2008-06-13 Thread Wombat
Reads like promotional stuff, not more. For example the fact DSD uses 4x the amount of data than CD. Nothing special i think, PCM 24/96 does also. -- Wombat Transporter - Avantgarde based monoblocks - self-made speakers

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...

2008-06-13 Thread Howard Passman
wendellkb;311505 Wrote: My wife could hear the difference when she was one floor away in the house. There simply is no comparison. That's exactly where my wife says the volume is about right. One floor away, with the kids in the tub and the water running... :-) I'll check and see if

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread Phil Leigh
sikahr;311431 Wrote: Phil, I challenge You to listen to these files: http://www.driveway.com/i1l4u7v3m4 http://www.driveway.com/b6o9y7s2n1 This is short fragment of music normalized on -45db and -75db. Please listen to these files on some slimdevices and on some other mp3 player.

Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!

2008-06-13 Thread seanadams
They didn't say oxygen free. I bet this thing is full of oxygen. But what do you expect for only £350. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread:

Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!

2008-06-13 Thread Phil Leigh
Ignoring the price (which is just STUPID) I think they are claiming that the Denon Ethernet interface is better for sound quality than SPDIF etc, rather than the cable actually improving SQ over ethernet... I think many heare might agree with that. At least that's the way I read it. YMMV. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread andynormancx
sikahr;311455 Wrote: Transcoding workaround(mp3 decoding in full 24-bit,): Madplay get at http://www.rarewares.org/mp3-others.php Now please listen samples again to hear how they sound now. I don't need to, I know that the artefacts will have gone away, because the x86 version of

Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!

2008-06-13 Thread darrenyeats
seanadams;311556 Wrote: They didn't say oxygen free. I bet this thing is full of oxygen. But what do you expect for only £350. LOL. No such thing as oxygen free cables because hot air contains oxygen. -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread Phil Leigh
Well I had to wind my system up gain 99 (out of 100) to hear the -75dB one...at which point I could hear what was left of the music and the artefacts. But I'm running the system so loud (with over 500 watts of active amplification) that normal music would be at the pain barrier!. Anyway - I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...

2008-06-13 Thread darrenyeats
wendellkb;311505 Wrote: My wife could hear the difference when she was one floor away in the house. There simply is no comparison. It would be easy to dismiss your story as hyperbole but I believe you. Sources shouldn't sound that different but sometimes they do have a different character to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...

2008-06-13 Thread andynormancx
darrenyeats;311574 Wrote: Going further, perhaps there are no major differences and pyschology alone is causing you to hear a difference, given especially that the listener is on a different floor. *sits back and opens popcorn* -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...

2008-06-13 Thread Phil Leigh
Actually there's an old studio trick. Sometime when you've sat listening to a mix next to the nearfields for hours you get a bit...jaded - and you kind of lose the plot in terms of eq, balance etc etc. However, leaving the studio for a break and then returning a while later while the track is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread sikahr
First, about the workaround, there are no need for conversion, transcoding workaround works superb. Second, You didn't say anything about first file (-45db). Please listen additional file: http://www.driveway.com/v8x5g1b3p9 this is -60db file, it maybe gives best picture because music and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread darrenyeats
Enough already! We all agree that it's a bug, we all agree it will be fixed, we all agree there is a workaround with transcoding. Peace (as in hold your), Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread Phil Leigh
sikahr;311583 Wrote: First, about the workaround, there are no need for conversion, transcoding workaround works superb. Second, You didn't say anything about first file (-45db). Please listen additional file: http://www.driveway.com/v8x5g1b3p9 this is -60db file, it maybe gives best

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread sikahr
Phil Leigh;311587 Wrote: The -45dB file was...louder. Maybe I'm missing something here. Can you post the mp3 fragment without any normalisation or changes in level? so I can hear it exactly as it would be ripped? Unfortunatrelly, I don't have original rip (six months passed), but I have

Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!

2008-06-13 Thread radish
There isn't a bullet point on that page to tell me how danceable it is. I only buy cables that are at least 97.6% danceable. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread:

Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!

2008-06-13 Thread funkstar
97.6% danceable? wow, you are a tough customer I normally settle for 95%. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread:

Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!

2008-06-13 Thread iPhone
killie99;311528 Wrote: I truly believe I have now seen everything. This has to be the snake oil of all snake oils .. http://www.avland.co.uk/denon/akdl1/akdl1.htm I have not handled this cable and the pictures are not very detailed, but from the pictures it does appear that the shield

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...

2008-06-13 Thread duke43j
Hi Howard, I would be very interested in what you finally decide on. Comparing my SB3 analog out with my Apollo CD player, the SB3 seems a little less 3-dimensional. I love the convenience of the SB3, but I don't want to give up any sound quality. I'm a little hesitant in buying a DAC without

Re: roll up! roll up! Get your �350 network patch cable here!

2008-06-13 Thread Nonreality
It will be on Woot.com in a month for 6.95 and I'll get sucked into 3. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...

2008-06-13 Thread Nonreality
duke43j;311642 Wrote: Hi Howard, I would be very interested in what you finally decide on. Comparing my SB3 analog out with my Apollo CD player, the SB3 seems a little less 3-dimensional. I love the convenience of the SB3, but I don't want to give up any sound quality. I'm a little

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...

2008-06-13 Thread Howard Passman
Nonreality;311680 Wrote: *sits back and shares popcorn with andynormancx* (it's more fun than a movie watching people talk themselves into spending money) He he, we'll see. I like to ask the question, but I need the proof before I spend the $$. Tis why I don't have a Transport. When I

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on possible set-ups

2008-06-13 Thread nicholasg
I thinking of installing the following and would really appreciate feedback on these set-ups: 1) Great room This install is really for background music / listening to the radio with breakfast. The room is already pre-wired for in-ceiling speakers 4 X Martin-Logan Helos 100 Pioneer VSX-918V-K

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread Nonreality
Phil Leigh;311416 Wrote: I'm not berating anyone! The OP keeps ignoring the fact that: the issue is buried in the noisefloor of most systems there is no evidence that anyone else has ever noticed the issue there is a simple workaround (convert mp3 to flac) that fixes the problem. What

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on possible set-ups

2008-06-13 Thread Pat Farrell
nicholasg wrote: a)headphone amp such as an HeadRoom Ultra Micro plus a Transport b)Benchmark DAC plus Duet c)CI Audio headphone amp (VHP 2) plus DAC (VDA 2) plus Duet The Benchmark is a great DAC and can more than drive headphones. I have one, altho I've not used it since I got my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread andynormancx
Nonreality;311689 Wrote: I would hate for one program to make me have to convert all my mp3's to flac, it's simple but a hassle. But like you said it doesn't affect me. No one has to convert any files from MP3 to FLAC to work around it, as long as their server has enough CPU power to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to eek out a little more detail...

2008-06-13 Thread andynormancx
Nonreality;311680 Wrote: *sits back and shares popcorn with andynormancx* You're welcome, could you pass the Coke please ? -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM !