opaqueice;410870 Wrote:
the industry needs to focus on the areas that matter, and stop getting
distracted by mysticism and bogus received wisdom.
Clearly what matters to you and other posters here is NOT the feeling
of music!
Listening to music is by all means a SUBJECTIVE action, there is
JezA;410808 Wrote:
No it is not my position. I said that A-B-X testing is a poor way of
evaluating components, because it is more a test of memory than
anything else.
OK, so you feel that memory is not a good mechanism to compare audio
components. Let's suppose it's true, and then consider
I have just got a DacMagic and am very happy with it. A definite
improvement over my SB3.
Paul
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There's a number of things I'd like to respond to, so let's gather them
all in one post:
honestguv;410861 Wrote:
cliveb;410749 Wrote:
The Blind Testing Controversy
There is nothing controversial about blind testing.
Sorry - I didn't mean to suggest that there is any doubt about the
cliveb;410709 Wrote:
There seems to be a contradiction in your recommendations here. Is there
a typo, perhaps? Do you think attenuators are a good idea or not, and if
not, why? (FWIW, my view is that using passive attenuation for correct
gain staging is crucial).
I have to admit that I
TC Electronic has a simple passive device, called Level Pilot, for that
purpose! :-)
http://www.tcelectronic.com/levelpilotstudio.asp
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Ok, I'm asking again: what would be the difference between using passive
attenuation using a passive preamp stage and the same attenuation using
in-line attenuators? In his posts, cliveb is the only one who
consequently speaks about avoiding *active* preamps: here I can see the
argument. But why
cliveb, you need to listen to some music. go to a concert even.
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Teus de Jong;411013 Wrote:
Ok, I'm asking again: what would be the difference between using passive
attenuation using a passive preamp stage and the same attenuation using
in-line attenuators? In his posts, cliveb is the only one who
consequently speaks about avoiding *active* preamps: here
Thanks for the answer cliveb. I see the rationale in all three
arguments.
Teus
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El Duderino wrote:
Oh, and Robin, its El Duderino ;)
:p
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JezA;411022 Wrote:
cliveb, you need to listen to some music. go to a concert even.
What is the purpose of that comment?
I take it you won't (or can't) explain how to compare two components
without using your memory, then?
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The point is not whether there is a differencee between the dacs , but
whether you like any of the DACS. My take on the TP's dac is that it is
analytical and not that much better than the Sb's ... I dont enjoy
listening to it..your mileage may vary.
I recon both units are best used as high end
If you produce two tones of say 22khz and 23khz then its true you
probably wont hear the pure tones. However, when two tones are close
together they intefere and an extra tone or beat is produced, which
can be heard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_(acoustics)
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Hello,
I would like to install a N/A convertissor between my SQ3 classic and
my old (but good) analogical amplificator.
Could you give me any information on the result ? Is it better than
analogical way ?
Anyone could inform me on a good N/A convertissor (below 1000 USD) ?
What brand ? Where
cliveb;410994 Wrote:
Not sure I understand exactly what you're saying here. Are you pointing
out that a double-blind test can only give a statistical confidence
level, and that 100% proof is never possible? Or are you saying that,
having failed to detect a difference in a blind test, a
GuyDebord;410979 Wrote:
Clearly what matters to you and other posters here is NOT the feeling of
music!
Listening to music is by all means a SUBJECTIVE action, there is
nothing scientific about it unless you dont care about music and just
sound! this forum is populated by sound geeks. You
GuyDebord;410979 Wrote:
Listening to music involves all the senses, sight, touch, smell... you
guys just dont get it... continue convincing yourselves of perfectly
reproduced SOUND!
You're erecting a straw-objectivist and then beating him over the head.
The fact is that it seems to be
CatBus;411101 Wrote:
There is a pigeon in my back yard. I can prove that, even to hardcore
pigeon deniers. However, I cannot convince hardcore pigeon believers
that there ISN'T a pigeon in my yard.
An image of a pigeon in your back yard would be evidence. A dead
pigeon you collected
Nonreality;410905 Wrote:
Yes exactly if you also have replay gain tags on a track that has
already been volume leveled by mp3tag. In that case I would not use
any replay gain in SC.
Thanks for the information.
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cliveb;410715 Wrote:
I think you may have misunderstood the end goal of ABX testing in audio.
The endpoint is NOT does A sound better than B. It's much simpler:
does A sound DIFFERENT than B. No preference judgements are called
for: simply the detection (or otherwise) of an audible
chitunes;411152 Wrote:
Thanks for the information.
Glad to help. You might be able to undo the mp3tag leveling and switch
to using tags. Then a program like Mediamonkey could apply leveling on
the fly to your portable and not have to have all your files altered.
Something to think about
opaqueice;43 Wrote:
But the part of my comment that seems to have irritated you wasn't
directed at listeners - it was directed at audio engineers, the people
that design and build audio gear and make recordings, and have to worry
about this stuff professionally. They shouldn't listen
Eric Carroll;410852 Wrote:
Priceless reply.
But I don't think anyone answered your actual question.
You should expect XLR outputs to be +6 dB above RCA connections. In
addition, but more variably, -nominal- line level between RCA
(consumer) and XLR balanced (professional) can vary up
GuyDebord;411196 Wrote:
I know by fact that most of the components I own, once designed were
voiced by ear(s) including my expensive cables. Of course some
companies (i.e. YG acoustics) believe in pure measurements, the result
sound is most of the time: analytical, clinical, un-organic and
darrenyeats;410811 Wrote:
1. The word blind in blind testing doesn't refer to having no sense of
sight. It's about not knowing the identity of the candidate at hand.
Hence you can (and reviewers DO*) have blind tests on televisions. The
frame of the television is covered so the tester
Listener;411146 Wrote:
An image of a pigeon in your back yard would be evidence. A dead pigeon
you collected in your back yard would be evidence. Even pigeon
droppings from your back yard would be evidence.
Exactly my point. Evidence that proves the existence of the pigeon is
easy. You
When I connect the optical out to the Transporter, which is hooked up to
a DAC via Toslink as well, I get nothing. When I hook the PS3 directly
to the DAC, it works fine. Could this be a copy protection issue?
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