Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-06-29 Thread jh901
arnyk wrote: Exactly. The same will be true for any suite of listening tests that avoids the traditional pitfalls of casual sighted audiophile evaluations which are: I intend to avoid your pitfalls, so it doesn't make sense that you have such passion for your faith. arnyk wrote:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World

2015-06-29 Thread Gandhi
Gandhi wrote: That's often right, but I'd say that it depends on the order of magnitude of change. In my case I have tamed the bass from -1dB ... +6dB to a quite flat one, +/- 1dB. It would be very hard not to hear. And it's interesting to see it quantified. Best Regards, Gandhi not often

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-06-29 Thread arnyk
jh901 wrote: What are these laws of physics? The ones you learn as part of a regular university education in Engineering, Physics, etc. These random guessing results do not exist though, right? The fact that audiophiles often make purchase judgments based on random guessing is often

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?

2015-06-29 Thread pinkdot
Other than blocking peple, is it possible to block a subforum. I want a 'cleaner' timeline!!! -Logitech Media Server 7.9.0 ('LMS-Repack' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103636-Test-Repo-for-LMS-7-9-0-on-Synology-DSM-5-*p=817970viewfull=1#post817970)) -Raspberry B+ (piCorePlayer),

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-06-29 Thread ralphpnj
jh901 wrote: What are these laws of physics? All those annoying little things like electrical current, voltage, resistance, impedance and capacitance in wire. Ohm's Law, etc. But I'm not trying to knock you here since it is quite clear that you are making a very big effort to be very

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-06-29 Thread ralphpnj
jh901 wrote: None of you can explain how the laws of physics are being violated. That's exactly the point: one CANNOT violate the laws of physics which is any and all properly set up and properly conducted DBTs involving audio speaker wire always yield null results, i.e. random guessing,. The

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World

2015-06-29 Thread Archimago
Gandhi wrote: In my case I have tamed the bass in my too small room from -1dB ... +6dB to a quite flat one, +/- 1dB. It would be very hard not to notice the improvement. And it's interesting to see it quantified. Wow. Fantastic results Gandhi! Likewise, although not to +/-1dB, more like

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-06-29 Thread jh901
ralphpnj wrote: 1) There are two different speak wires that after careful sighted evaluations and listening tests appear to sound different, even though all the laws of physics clearly state that this should not be the case. What are these laws of physics? ralphpnj wrote: 2)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-06-29 Thread Julf
jh901 wrote: What are these laws of physics? 'UC Irvine Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science: Understanding the Transmission Line Theory' (http://www.ece.uci.edu/docs/hspice/hspice_2001_2-269.html) To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-06-29 Thread jh901
ralphpnj wrote: But I'm not trying to knock you here since it is quite clear that you are making a very big effort to be very accommodating and understanding. Unfortunately I do know enough about to set up a proper DBT to be helpful. Noted. Appreciated. Any progress made as to the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World

2015-06-29 Thread Gandhi
Archimago wrote: Wow. Fantastic results Gandhi! Yes, REW and BrutefirDRC are surprisingly efficient. I would never have imagined. I would actually have paid a lot for a commercial solution to get this result, but as I didn't know the power of DRC (and I'm also cheap), I figured I'd try free

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World

2015-06-29 Thread Archimago
jh901 wrote: I don't necessarily have an argument against the notion that DSP+DRC can deliver good sound that is affordable to nearly everyone. I can tell you for sure that I wouldn't anyone to believe for one second that it takes the investment I've made in order to create a rather special

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-06-29 Thread Gandhi
jh901 wrote: Anyhow, Analysis Plus is HQ'd within 1.5 hours of GPWoods. Shouldn't it be easy for you to discredit their engineers along with their claims? After checking their website, I really can't think of how to discredit them more than they have already done themselves. Best Regards,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World

2015-06-29 Thread Gandhi
DRC is the poor man's 'room full of fluffy stuff'. If you have the time, space and funding to build a dedicated listening room with the help of audio engineers going bananas, I presume you don't need DRC at all. But there might be contraints, financial or perhaps estethic. DRC can help a lot, but

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World

2015-06-29 Thread Julf
Gandhi wrote: Another advantage is that in the process one measures and quantifies the sound quality and usually present it in a visual way. After applying a suitable filter you can usually also see the improvement visually. DRC gives audible results, often substantial, but for the skeptic

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World

2015-06-29 Thread Gandhi
Julf wrote: And for the believer, seeing the graphs makes it even more certain that they will hear the improvements... :) Numbers and graphs don't actually prove any audible improvement. That's often right, but I'd say that it depends on the order of magnitude of change. Best Regards,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2015-06-29 Thread arnyk
jh901 wrote: If there is a zero-probability of audible differences, then ABX results will be nothing more than random guesswork. Exactly. The same will be true for any suite of listening tests that avoids the traditional pitfalls of casual sighted audiophile evaluations which are: (1)