Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

* of thing, but it seems to be widely agreed that the simplest forms of such things don't succeed, for reasons that aren't so well understood. -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

people can't, they conclude that jitter is inaudible. This is very strange methodology. Similar tests long ago showed that nothing matters except THD. -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

completely inconceivable that there should be some such effect---where I was assuming, of course, that jitter is audible, etc. -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Receiver

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

by the kernel). But these would probably be random and hence appear as mere noise, and not very much. FYI, my CDs are all ripped as FLAC; I'm not rushing off to do the WAV-FLAC comparison; and my system is about as tweak-free as it could be. -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

, then so. Each of us should set it how it sounds, to us, the best. -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Receiver -- T-Amp -- Monitor Audio Radius 90s Receiver -- Sony HT

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

difference in the one case and a large difference in the other. And trust me: I'd have been perfectly happy with just the one piece of equipment if the DACs didn't make a significant difference to the sound. But they do. -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

an external DAC. (I can't remember if it was the Pass Labs D1 or the Adcom GDA-600, at the time.) The difference was pretty obvious. And frankly, I was pretty bummed out. I was hoping to get away cheap in my second system. But I had to shell out for a second Transporter, instead. -- rgheck Transporter

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

in theory there should be none. Unless the D1 is immune to jitter, which it is not, there may well be an effect, which theory can perfectly well describe and explain. -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

hooking up a cheap DVD player to whatever DAC you use and get ready to scream. These discussions: http://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/KB/BitPerfectJitter.htm http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/diginterf1_e.html http://www.digido.com/jitter.html are pretty good. -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

of jitter in the signal written to the CD, which then appears at the input of the DAC. -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Receiver -- T-Amp -- Monitor Audio Radius 90s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

Robin Bowes;501812 Wrote: On 02/01/10 17:26, rgheck wrote: Why should there be no difference in theory? And why should they sound the same? Jitter is a real and measurable phenomenon, and its effects are well documented. Yes, it is well-documented that the level of jitter

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

Robin Bowes;501887 Wrote: On 02/01/10 22:48, rgheck wrote: It is controversial at what level jitter becomes audible. Some people thinks it takes a ton. Others disagree. That's a rather different position to: Jitter is a real and measurable phenomenon, and its effects are well

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

Robin Bowes;501888 Wrote: On 02/01/10 22:38, rgheck wrote: Actually, let me add one more thing. In some ways, the most astonishing way to see the effects of jitter is on CDR copies of CDs, made at different speeds. Until I got my Transporter, etc, I hoarded old Plextor CDR drives

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl

album, with even a good deal of surface noise, than listen to a pristine recent pressing. You just lose so much resolution due to tape age. -- rgheck SqueezeboxServer on a 350MHz Pentium II running Centos 5.x with 1.5TB Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

a difference. The issue is likely the amount of jitter in the output signal. It wouldn't be a great shock if the newer Receiver had lower jitter. And that can make a HUGE difference. -- rgheck SqueezeboxServer on a 350MHz Pentium II running Centos 5.x with 1.5TB Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

with the Transporter difference was sufficient to justify the additional expense. -- rgheck SqueezeboxServer on a 350MHz Pentium II running Centos 5.x with 1.5TB Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl

Yeah, those can sound great. But the selection of music is pretty limited! -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Receiver -- T-Amp -- Monitor Audio Radius 90s Receiver

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac

is simply that, in principle, there is no reason to think no such thing CAN happen. To say otherwise is to put a bit too much faith in theory and to forget the limitations of any particular implementation. -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Adcom

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl

. There are also some great reissues of Atlantic material, because the Atlantic originals were often terrible. (FWIW, the best pressings of the great 1950s-1960s Atlantic stuff are often the mid-1970s Warner pressings.) -- rgheck SqueezeboxServer on a 350MHz Pentium II running Centos 5.x with 1.5TB

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced Output Question

Just wondering about the balanced vs SE outs on the Transporter. Specifically, I'm wondering if anyone knows how the balanced signal is produced. Is the analog stage intrinsically balanced, or are we taking a single-ended signal and then converting that to balanced? -- rgheck