Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-08-05 Thread banned for life
jh901 wrote: What does this mean? Digital source is inherently accurate means that the source file will (in the SB environment,) be delivered exactly. Arguments can be made about the various codecs used to convert one format to another but natively supported formats are presented to the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-08-05 Thread banned for life
Daverz wrote: I do pay attention to things like measurements, but ultimately long-term listening enjoyment is all that matters (within my budget). Great attitude. Let's not forget ease of use. Having all your music available wherever you are is a modern marvel that is not a free option in the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-30 Thread Daverz
TheLastMan wrote: Is high fidelity important to you when listening to music? Or do you simply want equipment that makes the music more enjoyable to listen to? I do pay attention to things like measurements, but ultimately long-term listening enjoyment is all that matters (within my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-30 Thread jh901
banned for life wrote: For the rest, a digital source is inherently accurate What does this mean? jh901's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18175 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-30 Thread Archimago
lachy.au wrote: Long time reader, first time poster. I'm a sound engineer from Australia, living and working in Hong Kong. Recently I've been working with a lot of hifi companies regarding a loudspeaker tuning system and have learnt a lot about audiophiles and the crazy gear available

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-27 Thread banned for life
TheLastMan wrote: My take on this is: 1. Hi-fi from different brands usually sounds different in all sorts of ways from other brands - but as the gear gets more expensive / more accurate the differences become smaller. 2. True high fidelity, as the name suggests, reproduces music warts

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-27 Thread banned for life
aubuti wrote: I don't think anyone has made that hyperbolic conclusion except you. I think any of us would agree that some components or systems sound better than others, and that some have a sound that we prefer even if one doesn't claim it is better. The conclusion from the first link in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-27 Thread lachy.au
Long time reader, first time poster. I'm a sound engineer from Australia, living and working in Hong Kong. Recently I've been working with a lot of hifi companies regarding a loudspeaker tuning system and have learnt a lot about audiophiles and the crazy gear available for their systems. Fair

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-24 Thread jh901
You serious Clark? The conclusion you guys are making seems to be that all gear sounds the same. You really believe that? Let's take DACs, for example. I'm assuming that by DAC that we are referring to the conversion to analog (chips and related design), power supply, analog stage design,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-24 Thread TheLastMan
jh901 wrote: The conclusion you guys are making seems to be that all gear sounds the same. You really believe that? I don't think anybody is suggesting that. The main point is that hi-fi does not always sound good or nice, and that good/nice audio is not always hi-fi. The price of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-24 Thread aubuti
jh901 wrote: The conclusion you guys are making seems to be that all gear sounds the same. You really believe that? I don't think anyone has made that hyperbolic conclusion except you. I think any of us would agree that some components or systems sound better than others, and that some have

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-23 Thread banned for life
JJZolx wrote: They wouldn't sell their Rolexes when they discover that a Timex works just as well. Most high end audio gear is electronic jewelry. Especially for a certain age-group. I'd be willing to bet that at least a few of the testers now question the value of their gear. It often

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-18 Thread RonM
Archimago wrote: For me, I have a DAC/headphone amp because the MacBook Pro's audio out is inadequate to drive my HD800. Also, the Mac's audio output is audibly more noisy thus not good enough of a match with the Sennheiser when I listen thru the computer. I have a TP because I can afford

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-17 Thread michael123
TheOctavist wrote: http://www.matrixhifi.com/ENG_contenedor_ppec.htm http://www.head-fi.org/t/486598/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths/1410 Can you tell the difference between $2 and $50 shampoo in a DBT? Oh, yes :) I recommend Paul Mitchell

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-16 Thread ralphpnj
SBGK wrote: I would be more persuaded by this torchured logic if the main proponents immediately saw the error of their ways and sold off their multi thousand $ dacs etc Perhaps they don't sell off their expensive equipment because in so doing they would have nothing to gain and plenty to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-15 Thread JJZolx
SBGK wrote: I would be more persuaded by this torchured logic if the main proponents immediately saw the error of their ways and sold off their multi thousand $ dacs etc They wouldn't sell their Rolexes when they discover that a Timex works just as well. Most high end audio gear is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-14 Thread Archimago
SBGK wrote: I would be more persuaded by this torchured logic if the main proponents immediately saw the error of their ways and sold off their multi thousand $ dacs etc xx Personally I know of 3 audiophile friends give up on expensive cables and convert everything over to excellent

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-14 Thread RonM
Archimago wrote: Personally I know of 3 audiophile friends give up on expensive cables and convert everything over to excellent Mogami or Belden cables over the last couple years (we're talking Nordost and Synergistics) after doing tests for themselves. As for DAC's, I've done A-B

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-14 Thread Archimago
RonM wrote: So the question is why you or anyone else needs anything other than the SB device DAC (aside from the headphone amp). I suspect the Touch, and certainly the TP, is superior to the $200 China-made DAC. R. For me, I have a DAC/headphone amp because the MacBook Pro's audio out

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-10 Thread SuperQ
SBGK wrote: I have never used blind testing because I believe humans are best suited to A/B testing Only someone with something to lose (money, pride, whatever) would have an opinion like that. SuperQ's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-09 Thread SBGK
TheOctavist wrote: http://www.matrixhifi.com/ENG_contenedor_ppec.htm http://www.head-fi.org/t/486598/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths/1410 I would be more persuaded by this torchured logic if the main proponents immediately saw the error of their ways and sold off their multi thousand

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-09 Thread aubuti
SBGK wrote: I have never used blind testing because I believe humans are best suited to A/B testing How's that? Given that blind testing is typically A/B done by humans aubuti's Profile:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Nail in the Golden Eared Audiophile Coffin..

2012-07-08 Thread TheOctavist
http://www.matrixhifi.com/ENG_contenedor_ppec.htm http://www.head-fi.org/t/486598/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths/1410 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: