Don't forget the 1 month breakin period depending on how much you spend
on the cable. ;]
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gsawdy;325198 Wrote:
Are shorter toslink cables better than longer? I'm talking in the
range of 1' to 1 meter, but a general answer for longer length would be
of interest.
Well Shorter fiber cables would suffer less loss and dispersion,
but I really doubt there would be any
I have been switching back and forth with Coax and toslink and I find
the toslink to sound better than the coax. I am now going to order and
try out a glass toslink.
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dvdit;325051 Wrote:
I have been switching back and forth with Coax and toslink and I find
the toslink to sound better than the coax. I am now going to order and
try out a glass toslink.
Same experience here. Glass toslink improved the situation still
further.
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USAudio;232241 Wrote:
Thanks gdg. Yep, disconnected the COAX and the TOSlink sounds terrific.
I think the PS Audio Digital Link III does a good job handling any
added jitter that might have been introduced.
http://www.psaudio.com/products/digital_link_iii_overview.asp
If the Toslink output
CPC;232277 Wrote:
If the Toslink output sounds equal to or better than the SPDIF RCA
output, maybe the SPDIF RCA output has problems. See the audiocircle
thread.
CPC, you seem absolutely convinced that coax is/must be better than
toslink...why? Do you have any evidence to back this up?
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Apparently Toslink does in fact introduce jitter. I have this from at
least two audio engineers that have no reason to mislead me on this.
However, if you reclock to bring the jitter down to minimal levels (as
I do with a Big Ben)you can then take advantage of the fact that Toslink
isolates the
gdg;232284 Wrote:
Apparently Toslink does in fact introduce jitter. I have this from at
least two audio engineers that have no reason to mislead me on this.
However, if you reclock to bring the jitter down to minimal levels (as
I do with a Big Ben) you can then take advantage of the fact
CPC;232277 Wrote:
If the Toslink output sounds equal to or better than the SPDIF RCA
output, maybe the SPDIF RCA output has problems. See the audiocircle
thread.
Sorry, didn't mean to give the impression that TOSLink sounded better
than the coax. They sounded equivalent in my system.
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Phil Leigh;232278 Wrote:
CPC, you seem absolutely convinced that coax is/must be better than
toslink...why? Do you have any evidence to back this up?
Once the SPDIF/RCA output has been optimized as per the audiocircle
thread, it sounds better than the Toslink.
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gdg;231400 Wrote:
If they both sound the same when they are both connected in your setup
then the Toslink is probably better. The big advantage of Tos with the
Squeezebox is that it isolates downstream components from the noise the
SB produces. Since you have both connected even when the
Yes I agree.
Despite the cost...I'm much more enamored with my audio than with my
bit-cruncher.
Bottoms up! (that's Americana cheers! to all you Brits/Aussie's)
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One MAJOR advantage of Toslink over coax (for me) using a WIRED
Squeezebox, is that TOSlink isolates my audio setup from potential
surges (e.g. lightning strike) coming in via my Cat5 network
connection. I am feeding my SB2 to a Benchmark DAC-1, and couldn't
appreciate any difference between a
sleepysurf;231311 Wrote:
potential surges (e.g. lightning strike) coming in via my Cat5 network
connection. The optical connection adds an extra layer of electrical
isolation for my entire audio chain.
So what do you do for music when your platform is isolated from your
audio chain because
Put me down in the they sound the same camp, at least with my new PS
Audio Digital Link III and Blue Jeans COAX and TOSLink cables.
The DL3 has a button on the front that makes it easy to switch between
the various inputs and after A/B comparing the inputs with various
types of music there was
Well, living in the Tampa Bay area, aka The Lightning Capital of the
World, one can never have too much protection. I'd rather lose PART
of my A/V setup than ALL of it!
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mglaudiolabs;226890 Wrote:
We have tested optical vs coaxial outputs but I have a hard time telling
which one is better...
Hi Michael,
I looked at your site/products, pretty interesting. You are the only
one or few of the audiophile companies which describe the architecture
how
We have tested optical vs coaxial outputs but I have a hard time telling
which one is better...
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After sorting out some RFI issues, i went back from optical to coax. I
do not know why, but I prefer the sound - in a/b tests it sounds the
same but after a few hours i'm sure I get less 'fatigue' - could all by
psychological of course!
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Did anyone use this io gel product for toslink in their tests and notice
a difference in quality?
http://www.auralsymphonics.com/iogel.html
I love their disclaimer about problems of digital lock, though...
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Chinanico;226292 Wrote:
Did anyone use this io gel product for toslink in their tests and notice
a difference in quality?
http://www.auralsymphonics.com/iogel.html
I love their disclaimer about problems of digital lock, though...
rgh - SnakeGel (tm)
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Chinanico;225754 Wrote:
The reason why I didn't go further into (expensive) tests is that I
already had some difficulty to hear a difference between my SB3+toslink
and my CEC drive + XLR AES cable (the cable costing itself twice the
price of a squeezebox). It came as a desapointment
NewBuyer;225775 Wrote:
Hi Chinanico,
Yes that is exactly right, the coax was completely unplugged (both
ends) when the Toslink was in place.
Hi gdg,
In addition, I am not sure that a ground loop through an unbalanced
*digital* coax connection would necessarily produce an analog 60Hz
Chinanico;225754 Wrote:
Have you tried to perform the listening test with unpluging (at the DAC
side) the coax cable while you are listening to the toslink?...
Hi Chinanico,
Yes that is exactly right, the coax was completely unplugged (both
ends) when the Toslink was in place.
gdg;225679
I spent some time earlier testing various coax (DH labs, Apogee
Wyde-Eye, etc) and various glass-toslink cables out of the SB3, and
ultimately found the optical connection consistently sounded better in
my various system configs. However, my feeling is that any such
differences were entirely due
Phil Leigh;225269 Wrote:
Ted - when you say rolled off you don't mean lacking in high
frequencies do you? - coz it's kind of difiicult to imagine how the
digital cable can affect frequency response in that way...
Thanx everyone for the input. I certainly agree with the above
statement.
NewBuyer;225454 Wrote:
Semi-recently, I spent some time testing various coax (DH labs, Apogee
Wyde-Eye, etc) against various glass-toslink cables out of the SB3. I
found the optical connection, consistently, sounded better in my
various system configs. However, my guess is that any such
NewBuyer;225454 Wrote:
Semi-recently, I spent some time testing various coax (DH labs, Apogee
Wyde-Eye, etc) against various glass-toslink cables out of the SB3. I
found the optical connection, consistently, sounded better in my
various system configs. However, my guess is that any such
TiredLegs;225499 Wrote:
In what way did the optical sound better? The only difference galvanic
isolation should make would be elimination of a ground loop hum that
you may or may not have with coax.
Almost...it can also reduced induced EMI/RF...which can casue jitter
issues...which you may
TiredLegs;225499 Wrote:
In what way did the optical sound better? The only difference galvanic
isolation should make would be elimination of a ground loop hum that
you may or may not have with coax.
Hi TiredLegs,
Ground loops can cause sonic effects not limited to just hum, including
a
NewBuyer;225647 Wrote:
Hi TiredLegs,
Ground loops can cause sonic effects not limited to just hum, including
a decrease in clarity and definition (especially in musical transients),
and reducing the audible sense of space. Which essentially describes the
differences that I heard - but I
TiredLegs;225333 Wrote:
[...]I tested both Toslink (glass cable) and coax digital outputs
simultaneously hooked up to the same DAC [...]repeatedly switching
inputs back and forth on the DAC at random intervals, but I was unable
to hear any difference whatsoever between the Toslink and coax
Hey y'all. Just wondering if there is a consensus on which output
provides the best digital signal into an outboard dac (Benchmark Dac1)?
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in my system coax has it ...the optical sounds soft [rolled off ?] in
comparison.
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With this little thing, you get one more input choise on the dac. If you
not already have used XLR(aes) input.
http://www.odysseyaudiohk.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1160836250 They
are confusing female dwith male i think, maybe a writing error.
Havent tried it yet.I have ordered one myself.
Phil hit the nail on the head - there is no consensus.
In general I would suggest getting good budget versions of each, and
trying it. If you can't tell the difference, then your DAC is
presumably rejecting jitter or whatever sufficiently well that spending
more will be pointless. If you can
eiret;225208 Wrote:
With this little thing, you get one more input choise on the dac. If you
not already have used XLR(aes) input.
http://www.odysseyaudiohk.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1160836250 They
are confusing female dwith male i think, maybe a writing error.
Havent tried it yet.I
Phil Leigh wrote:
The implications of what these guys are saying on their web site is
that the DAC1 should prefer TOSLINK because of the galvanic
isolation. I'm suprised that no-one here has consistently stated that
Toslink is better than coax for the Benchmark...
Here meaning on SD
My $.02 is this...try a decent 75ohm coax cable vs a decent GLASS
toslink cable (plastic toslink is the norm, but usually way too rolled
off anytime I've heard it). Although I'm going to a modded Transporter
soon, my current setup is an SB3 (modded) to a Monarchy DIP Upsampler
48/96 to an Ack
ted_b;225245 Wrote:
My $.02 is this...try a decent 75ohm coax cable vs a decent GLASS
toslink cable (plastic toslink is the norm, but usually way too rolled
off anytime I've heard it). Although I'm going to a modded Transporter
soon, my current setup is an SB3 (modded) to a Monarchy DIP
Phil,
I have no earthly idea why ANY digital cables, coax or toslink, etc
sound different. I mean, it's supposedly ones and zeroes, right? So,
given that I have suspended my disbelief long ago, assume it has
something to do with timng, jitter, digital noise, who knows... I will
say that the
From my Squeezebox, I tested both Toslink (glass cable) and coax digital
outputs simultaneously hooked up to the same DAC (in this case, a Grace
m902). Over several days, I listened to a whole bunch of albums over
high end headphones, repeatedly switching inputs back and forth on the
DAC at
The problem is : the 1n`s tend to be crooked, loopsided at the upper end. The
0`s tend to be rectangular in the lower end.[/QUOTE Wrote:
Its a joke !!
I read it in a norwegian av forum
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Thats bechause, in optical and toslink the bits are sendt as light
signals. You can actually see a stearin candle light that is on a
distance of 100km on the other side of optical glass.
The problem is : the 1n`s tend to be crooked, loopsided at the upper
end. The 0`s tend to be rectangular in
LOL, funny!
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ted_b;225245 Wrote:
...
In my personal situation the glass toslink from an Audiogon vendor
captnstarstripe ($30) was better than the any coax I used (Stereovox
coax from Monarchy to ACk was constant)...
...it lifted a slight veil and seemed to focus the images like a camera
focus ring.
ted_b;225294 Wrote:
I will say that the plastic toslink cables I have tried all sound
slightly rolled off at both ends of the frequency spectrum vs glass or
good true 75 ohm bnc coax. Why?heck if I know.
Glass verses plastic Toslinks:
http://www.lifatec.com/toslink4.html
PS- Toslink
CPC wrote:
Glass verses plastic Toslinks:
http://www.lifatec.com/toslink4.html
Nice link. I love that they can provide steel jackets for those
audiophile setups where you need protection.
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CPC;225417 Wrote:
Glass verses plastic Toslinks:
http://www.lifatec.com/toslink4.html
PS- Toslink TX/RX modules have also been improved.
Interesting that you should debunk my personal opinion on hearing both
plastic vs glass, and instead point to the unbiased opinion of a
seller of
ted_b;225441 Wrote:
Interesting that you should debunk my personal opinion on hearing both
plastic vs glass, and instead point to the unbiased opinion of a
seller of plastic toslink. Kind alike asking a barber if you need a
haircut. Go for itthey say plastic is better, and they ought
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