Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-27 Thread ralphpnj
darrenyeats;410298 Wrote: You're right. But streaming quality will have less and less technological constraints as time goes on (I choose my words carefully). Even now, as I understand it, last.fm streams MP3 at 256 VBR. Darren Darren, I just checked and last.fm streams at 128kbps CBR NOT

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-27 Thread darrenyeats
ralphpnj;410517 Wrote: Darren, I just checked and last.fm streams at 128kbps CBR NOT 256kbps VBR and listening to 128kbps CBR, while better than listening to 56kbps or 96kbps, is still nowhere near CD quality. So for now I'll be sticking with my own 99.9% flac music library. Right you are.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-26 Thread ralphpnj
CatBus;409405 Wrote: An audiophile will tell you it's all about the sound, but they can identify their favorite albums by smell or touch Hey remember those gatefold LP covers, you know the kind that was used for most double LP sets, well chances are that if you open up one of those

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-26 Thread darrenyeats
ralphpnj;410076 Wrote: Darren, You make some very good points but I think that from the audiophile perspective you forgot one really important point: while I love listening to last.fm and some radio stations via SqueezeNetwork I just can't tolerate the insanely low bit rate and resulting

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-25 Thread cliveb
Has anyone tried pointing out to the luddites that a CD player *IS* a computer? It's got an operating system CPU (control system), a soundcard (DAC), and a disk that provides the data (the CD itself). -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-25 Thread darrenyeats
cliveb;409935 Wrote: Has anyone tried pointing out to the luddites that a CD player *IS* a computer? It's got an operating system CPU (control system), a soundcard (DAC), and a disk that provides the data (the CD itself). Good point. Computers as we know them all have the basic architecture

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-25 Thread ralphpnj
darrenyeats;409965 Wrote: Last.fm, spotify etc show the streaming-media-from-cloud concept can work for a certain group of people. If that group of people expands into the mainstream then good old us - audio enthusiasts who want their own music server because they listen so much, or care

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-25 Thread Nonreality
CatBus;409405 Wrote: Hey, I'm a DBT-loving Luddite and I'm offended! Just kidding. I am actually a DBT-loving Luddite, but I'm not actually offended. Luddite is frequently a label that gets thrown at people who just have different priorities than much of society. We don't fear or hate

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread JJZolx
ralphpnj;409303 Wrote: Man does my head hurt. After trying and trying to get some of my fellow audiophiles over at the Stereophile forum to see the light regarding music servers What light is that? Why do you feel such an overwhelming desire to convince others that your approach to audio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread regalma1
Luddites were people who tried to stop the dehumanizing aspects of technology. They were not opposed to technology, per se. The equivalent in an audiophile might be someone who embraces advances that actually advance high fidelity, but opposes the world being forced into 128 kbps MP3s whether we

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread Listener
Some time ago I noticed a theme in some audiophile posts. My wife uses iTunes to fill her iPod. I don't use a computer for music at all. so I posted survey questions on the audioAsylum digital drive forum asking 1) if audiophiles used a computer to play music and 2) did any family member use

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread BigEars
Listener;409634 Wrote: Some time ago I noticed a theme in some audiophile posts. My wife uses iTunes to fill her iPod. I don't use a computer for music at all. I wonder if this is a 'macho' response. As in ...no I don't do it, but not because it is too techie (my wife can), but it is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread ralphpnj
JJZolx;409474 Wrote: What light is that? Why do you feel such an overwhelming desire to convince others that your approach to audio source components is better than another? I suppose that I was being a tad harsh but it's really not about my way or the highway, rather it's about investing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread Listener
ralphpnj;409768 Wrote: So I guess the light we're talking about is the light of progress. If you had expressed the same amount of enthusiasm for something like set amplifiers as the only way to go, it would not have produced the wave of defensive posts. I've seen lots of threads like

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread ralphpnj
Listener;409838 Wrote: Hard to admit that the world is passing you by. Your wife is going modern and your kids have been with it since they could walk. I just love those two sentences - says it all very nicely. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread alZmtbr
Well, I think I must be a Luddite... Tho I do load the wife's iPODs. I very much enjoy what comes off of the big black discs. I occasionally even hook up the LD player and the BetaMax! http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=404340postcount=928 -- alZmtbr

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-23 Thread ralphpnj
Man does my head hurt. After trying and trying to get some of my fellow audiophiles over at the Stereophile forum to see the light regarding music servers I've come to the conclusion that many of these audiophiles are quite simply Luddites. Link to Stereophile thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-23 Thread SuperQ
Yes, there are.. they just don't tend to post rants about it. They buy the Squeezebox or Transporter, plug it in and enjoy the music. They don't need to rant about something that just works the way they want. :) -- SuperQ

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-23 Thread ralphpnj
SuperQ;409338 Wrote: Yes, there are.. they just don't tend to post rants about it. They buy the Squeezebox or Transporter, plug it in and enjoy the music. They don't need to rant about something that just works the way they want. :) I didn't realize that my posts within the referenced

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-23 Thread SuperQ
Sorry, I was not thinking your post was a rant.. it's just the general feel that I got from a number of posts on the thread you linked, and the kind of posts I see on the slimdevices audiophile forum. Generalization on the fact that people who are in the middle don't feel the need to talk about

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-23 Thread ralphpnj
SuperQ;409351 Wrote: Sorry, I was not thinking your post was a rant.. it's just the general feel that I got from a number of posts on the thread you linked, and the kind of posts I see on the slimdevices audiophile forum. Generalization on the fact that people who are in the middle don't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-23 Thread agillis
I just posted a response over there. It seems like the users over there are thinking of a computer transport as playing wav files out of a PC sound card. Not as a SB/NAS solution. This is the response I posted over there if anybody is interested. Everybody in this forum already knows most of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-23 Thread Goodsounds
SuperQ;409351 Wrote: Oh well, you just won't be able to change some people's minds. I just give up and move on with things. Exactly. Those for whom toleration (of others with different views) does not come naturally, practice makes perfect. -- Goodsounds

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-23 Thread CatBus
Hey, I'm a DBT-loving Luddite and I'm offended! Just kidding. I am actually a DBT-loving Luddite, but I'm not actually offended. Luddite is frequently a label that gets thrown at people who just have different priorities than much of society. We don't fear or hate technology, we just don't