RE: [Aus-soaring] Regulations

2004-08-27 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 02:10 PM 27/08/04 +1000, you wrote: > Among other comments, Boyd Munro stated: - require >that passengers It quite escapes me why the GFA should require >passengers to use oxygen above 10,000' in Australia (unless the person who >wrote the rule was a supplier of oxyge

RE: [Aus-soaring] Hypoxia & Oxygen use

2004-08-27 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 09:46 AM 27/08/04 +1000, you wrote: >That's a big call to say the NZ Gliding people misinterpreted the law. The >Law sets the benchmark and as long as that is not breached, NZ Gliding is >well within their rights to set their own guidelines. > They are also free to turn naked handstands out th

RE: [Aus-soaring] Hypoxia & Oxygen use

2004-08-27 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 11:44 AM 27/08/04 +1000, you wrote: >On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:27:30 +1000, Mike Borgelt wrote > >> In a dying, shrinking sport the last thing we need is mindless regulation >> and enthusiastic jack booted amateurs eagerly enforcing "the law" or >> doing so for the sake of "safety" or an illusory

Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspace models

2004-08-27 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 02:34 PM 27/08/04 +0930, you wrote: >Mike, > >It's interesting to see that one of the competent people you speak of is >Bob Hall the president of the GFA. > > Yes, I've never said he couldn't handle mathematical modelling. I wondered if someone would pick up on that. Interesting also though i

RE: [Aus-soaring] Hypoxia & Oxygen use

2004-08-27 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 09:46 AM 27/08/04 +1000, you wrote: >That's a big call to say the NZ Gliding people misinterpreted the law. The >Law sets the benchmark and as long as that is not breached, NZ Gliding is >well within their rights to set their own guidelines. > Sorry left out a word first time. They are also f

Re: [Aus-soaring] Hypoxia & Oxygen use

2004-08-27 Thread Quinn
> > I really want to know how many accidents or incidents involving at > least one glider attributable in whole or part to lack of supplementary > oxygen (at any altitude) have occurred during the last 50 years > (anywhere in the world) > > That's the kind of data you need to determine whether th

Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen

2004-08-27 Thread Leigh Bunting
Brian Wade wrote: I wonder what would be the insurance implications should there be a mid air collision at a height above 10,000 ft This thread has generated the most lively discussion in a long time. The element of risk management has been mentioned and someone asked if there had been any accide

Re: [Aus-soaring] Hypoxia & Oxygen use

2004-08-27 Thread Terry Neumann
I've been wondering about one other aspect of this fascinating discussion.    We may have talked about this before. Does anyone know to what altitude the cabin of commercial jets are pressurized when at normal cruising levels ?    I did hear once (in the B-727 era) that it was somew

Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspace models

2004-08-27 Thread rfmoore
My views are aired in a constructive environment at RAPAC meetings to the benifit of my states gliding community. I have even had airspace steps reduced from the proposed models suggested by Airservices. I'm not paranoid and I will not take your money. Reg Mike Borgelt wrote: At 02:34 PM 27/08/

Re: [Aus-soaring] Hypoxia & Oxygen use

2004-08-27 Thread Mark Newton
Terry Neumann wrote: Does anyone know to what altitude the cabin of commercial jets are pressurized when at normal cruising levels ?I did hear once (in the B-727 era) that it was somewhere around 6,000 to 8,000 feet. Usually 8,000'. (I have an altimeter built into my watch -- it's actually

Re: [Aus-soaring] Hypoxia & Oxygen use

2004-08-27 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 11:12 PM 27/08/04 +0930, you wrote: > >We may have talked about this before. > > > > Is there a manufacturer's recommendation? > > Is there a company policy? > > Are there regulations on the subject? > > Unfortunately that would probably be viewed with considerable suspi

Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspace models

2004-08-27 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 11:27 PM 27/08/04 +0930, you wrote: >My views are aired in a constructive environment at RAPAC meetings to >the benifit of my states gliding community. I have even had airspace >steps reduced from the proposed models suggested by Airservices. I'm not >paranoid and I will not take your money.

Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspace models

2004-08-27 Thread Mike Borgelt
Well, Not under threat any more - DEAD The BASTARDS have won. This is a sad day for Australian aviation and the way is now open for any restriction to be imposed for any specious reason without any real case being made. Just yell "safety" long and loud enough like some of the idiots on this group.

[Aus-soaring] Oxygen - Reporeted Incidents.

2004-08-27 Thread Colin & Yvonne Campbell
Didn't one world champion get lost during the 1987 World Comps at Benalla and subscribe his lack of knowledge as to his where-abouts to Hypoxia. He apparently spent a considerable time above 12500' in thermal wave. colinc   On a different note. Has any Libelle owner experienced ASI error due

[Aus-soaring] hypoxia

2004-08-27 Thread ronsanders
Guys, Airlines have a pressurisation system that sets the cabin altitude proprtional to the cruise height. it is never more than 8500 feet in the cabin unless there is a little problem. This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au __