At 06:19 PM 30/05/2008, you wrote:
Mike
You've nicely made my point. You are too close to the problem, you
operate quite happily within the GFA system and as far as I can see
the changes you want relate to administrative procedures inside the
current system. BTW when I hear management
At 09:24 AM 30/05/2008, you wrote:
Mike Borgelt wrote:
People like Jenny and Robert Hart and others who don't have
problem with all this will never be able to understand or fix the problem.
Good grief, Mike
If you think that I don't have a problem with the way the GFA is
run, then you have
Mike
You've nicely made my point. You are too close to the problem, you
operate quite happily within the GFA system and as far as I can see
the changes you want relate to administrative procedures inside the
current system. BTW when I hear management buzzwords like world's
best practice and
: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA, marketing and democracy in the GFA
Hi all,
Mike Borgelt wrote:
. You unconsciously think that GFA members and Australian glider pilots
are the same thing. When you get over that we might make some progress
: 9.96 m2
- Original Message -
*From:* Al Borowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
*Sent:* Friday, May 30, 2008 6:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA, marketing and democracy in the GFA
Hi all
How does a glider pilot operate outside the GFA?
Its pretty easy. Talk to me off list Al.
Chris McDonnell
- Original Message -
From: Al Borowski
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA
.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA, marketing and democracy in the GFA
How does a glider pilot operate outside the GFA?
Its pretty easy. Talk to me off list Al.
Chris McDonnell
- Original Message -
From: Al Borowski mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Discussion of issues relating
Donnell
Sent: Friday, 30 May 2008 10:33 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA, marketing and democracy in the GFA
How does a glider pilot operate outside the GFA?
Its pretty easy. Talk to me off list Al.
Chris
Francis Ning of DDSC tells me that PIG = Partner In Gliding!
Gary
- Original Message -
From: JR
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA, marketing and democracy
On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:08:36 +1000, Jenny Ganderton wrote:
For those of us that are hooked on gliding, we don't have a problem
with any of this - but how do you get people hooked?
All positive suggestions welcomed!
Jenny
Yes Jenny, even some who are hooked on this (for much longer and much
At 07:50 PM 29/05/2008, you wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:08:36 +1000, Jenny Ganderton wrote:
For those of us that are hooked on gliding, we don't have a problem
with any of this - but how do you get people hooked?
All positive suggestions welcomed!
Jenny
Yes Jenny, even some who are hooked on
Mike Borgelt wrote:
People like Jenny and Robert Hart and others who don't have problem
with all this will never be able to understand or fix the problem.
Good grief, Mike
If you think that I don't have a problem with the way the GFA is run,
then you have truly been reading what I have
Outstanding, Robert!
Best, most succinct summing up of the problem, ever.
Cheers
Phil
Robert Hart wrote:
Mike
Borgelt wrote:
People like Jenny and Robert Hart and others who "don't have problem
with all this" will never be able to understand or fix the problem.
Good grief,
Just thinking outside the box again,
When people decide to not renue there membership with the GFA, is there
anything in place to ask the departing member WHY they have decided to pull the
pin.
Eg :
Medical reasons
Age reasons
Too steep learning curve
Learning cure not steep enough
Not
; Al Sim ; Stuart Lutton ; Ron McLeay
; Caboolture Gliding Club ; Hank Kauffman ; Daryl Connell ; Ross Hall ; Keith
Frewin
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:36 PM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] GFA, marketing and democracy in the GFA (was Re: PDA
Programs and other matters)
David
Marketing
Geoff Kidd wrote:
Robert's and Other's input below mentions 2500 members and 4500
members 20 years ago, however in the GFA Information - Welcome to
Gliding section of the GFA website it states The GFA is a non-profit
Incorporated Association registered in Victoria. It is supported by
12,000
Confusus say man who goes sideways through airport turnstile, always going to
bangkok
- Original Message -
From: Ben Jones
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] GFA,marketing and democracy
. To change
these last 3 items effectively will be the hard part.
Regards Geoff
- Original Message -
From: Phil McCann
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA, marketing and democracy
]
*To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:24 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA, marketing and democracy in the
GFA (was Re: PDA Programs andothermatters)
It is good to see
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA,marketing and democracy in the GFA (was Re:
PDAPrograms andothermatters)
Phil,
There is good info in your post and I don't think anyone is saying
Gary Stevenson wrote:
These sports are relatively very new. It is inevitable that as the
young HG/PG pilots grow older, their undercarriages etc tend to fail,
and it would make sense that they do a review of their flying options.
This would almost certainly include changing to soaring as we
At 08:21 AM 29/05/2008, you wrote:
Back in the late 70's membership peaked at around 4500 following the
Waikerie World Comps, but this was for only a short period. It
declined to the low 2,000's in the 90's but in the last few years
seems to have shown a slow increase. We should be careful
1:46 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA, marketing and democracy in the GFA (was
Re: PDAPrograms andothermatters)
At 08:21 AM 29/05/2008, you wrote:
Back in the late 70's membership peaked at around 4500 following the
Waikerie World Comps
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA,marketing and democracy in the GFA (was Re:
PDA Programs andothermatters)
No JR. THAT type of reply is probably one of the reasons.
And I have to add that David
in Australia.
Cc: JR
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA, marketing and democracy in the GFA (was Re:
PDA Programs andothermatters)
JR
Fair enough apologies for having the McCready set too high on my humour
detector.
This is such a serious issue and I am concerned that the movement will just
shrug off
Al Borowski wrote:
The RAA has been growing steadily over the last few years - they
currently have just over 8000 voting members, and an annual growth rate
of about 17%! Obviously we can't compare apples to oranges but they
areclearly doing something right. Can the GFA learn anything from
All positive suggestions welcomed!
Jenny
Sailplane glding as a sport (in Australia) is clearly doomed.
The falling rate of membership and participation (which is a lot less than
the membership) means that the membership of many clubs will fall below a
level which can be sustained.
So,
On Wed, 28 May 2008 9:12:05 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However membership must surely be reaching some measure of critical
mass
that occurred in 1998
(read back past AGs where there is a lot of data given about the
critical membership size for a club to operate, the skill range
needed,
May 2008 9:12 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring
in Australia.
Cc: JR
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA, marketing and democracy in the GFA (was
Re: PDA
Programs andothermatters)
JR
Fair enough
apologies for having the McCready set too
high on my humour detector.
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