At 06:19 PM 30/05/2008, you wrote:
Mike
You've nicely made my point. You are too close to the problem, you operate quite happily within the GFA system and as far as I can see the changes you want relate to administrative procedures inside the current system. BTW when I hear management buzzwords like "world's best practice" and "safety management system" I begin to worry.
It matters little whether you worry or not about "management buzzwords", the reality is that the GFA safety management system is patchy. We still have people who think because someone spun in that "pilot error" is sufficient explanation. Modernising and improving safety within the GFA is necessary - it will save lives. Using the language in common use across all industries helps people understand what we are proposing - unless people decide to be deliberately obtuse when hearing those words.


Robert,

If you truly want to improve safety look no further than the instructor training system. When you begin to demand a greater level of experience before anyone can even begin to become an instructor and a proper syllabus with real theory training and written exams you might get somewhere.

A proper theory course for glider pilots with written exams wouldn't go astray either. Then people might learn why gliders fly and stall and spin and other things which may help prevent them from killing themselves.

You aren't going to "supervise" quality outcomes into a system that is deficient to begin with. Pilots need to be armed with knowledge through proper training,. After that, when they take off solo there is nothing more you can do if they decide to be stupid or irresponsible. There are Australian laws and regulations which cover penalties for irresponsible behaviour but those of Sir Isaac Newton are more likely to exact punishment first in aviation.


As to "being to close to the problem" - well, that may be true. It doesn't feel like it since I seem almost always to be out of step with the longer serving Board members. What I do know however, is that I make significant efforts to determine the Qld membership's views on issues before I attend a meeting - so when I am there it is not just "Robert Hart"'s views that are presented - and I don't think the Qld membership at large is too close to the problem.

You persist in suggesting that I am "happy" operating inside the GFA admin system without reading what I write - I have problems at almost every Board meeting. Please stop misrepresenting me on this issue.


I'm not referring to your political difficulties at board meetings. I'm referring to your gliding operations. Last I heard you were even an instructor in the current system.


I am totally confused as to why you say things like "the changes you want relate to administrative procedures inside the current system". Of course that is the case: I am a member of the GFA and, unlike you who gave up and walked away, I am trying to change the system - hopefully for the better. Just what is the problem with that? I surely cannot change it from outside - which is where you are!


If you read my post you would know I've tried to change the system too. On more than one occasion. Most of which are in my posts on the archive.

I left the GFA some years ago because they brought in the dual signature after rigging. I've asked here and specifically asked you about this and nobody seems to have come up with a sensible reason why this was done. For me it was the last straw. Why should I support an organisation which made it impossible, under their rules, for me to take my motor glider out to the local airport, rig it and go flying?



Yup you are right - I asked and there is not a sensible reason for it as far as I can see either. It is however tied to regulations regarding "major modification" into which (currently) de- and re-rigging a glider fall. Once we in sport aviation have more control over our own destiny in terms of regulations as is promised by the upcoming changes, the GFA will (I believe) no longer be tied by this requirement and change will be possible.

So the GFA was too powerless and/or lacking the will to resist this? This isn't impressive for an organisation that was formed in order to keep inappropriate regulation off the backs of glider pilots. Our American friends in the FAA, recognising that gliders were *designed* to be rigged and derigged simply issued a blanket waiver against the regulation for gliders. It is a requirement to note each rigging in the logbook (there's no such thing as a maintenance release).

Disassembly of major structural and control systems during maintenance where the parts may get covered by several layers of structure, access hatches and upholstery preventing inspection during the DI are a completely different matter from rigging and de-rigging a glider where the break points in the control system and structure are known and designed for such duty.

Part 103 isn't going to change anything. Currently CASA approves the MOSP. They will still have to approve any regulations. It's a worry that someone on the GFA board doesn't understand this.


I've also not seen anyone try to justify the GFA's opposition to the CASA RPPL proposal. We discussed that extensively here and there was quite a lot of support for it. It wasn't even proposed to be compulsory or the only way of doing things as GFA members or RAAus members could elect to remain members of their organisations and continue to operate the way they had been.
Don't ask me to justify it - because I cannot and will not. I happen to believe that we would be well served by a Glider Pilot's Licence of the right type (and I was not close enough to the RPPL detail to say if that was or was not the case). The current changes from instructing/coaching to training and the emphasis shift from solo to somewhere close to Silver C (and the issuance of a glider pilot certificate of some kind) is definitely a step in the right direction.
Maybe you'd like to offer a defence or have the board revisit the issue?
See above - and asking the Board to revisit a decision when the RPPL is off the table is just plain ridiculous.

The RPPL wasn't off the table last time I looked. It just had a greatly restricted scope and a greatly diminished political constituency. We've got a new Minister who isn't emotionally invested in the decisions of his predecessors and if you truly believe that a glider pilot licence of the right type is a good idea, why not raise the issue and find out why the GFA opposed the RPPL?

As for the rest of your post, it is just more "circle the wagons", "shoot the messenger" stuff. Maybe you should actually read the posts by Al Borowski, DMcD and Ben Jones. They and many others aren't thinking so differently from me. Note that I didn't actually start this thread.

Mike



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