Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin Training

2014-12-25 Thread Harry
Hi Michael, Not sure of your winch status. The Brits after an extensive investigation introduced “Safe Winch Launch”. Its principles reduced the winching accident rate to 25% of what it was and has virtually eliminated fatalities. Worth checking out their web site if interested. It uses 1.5 V

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin Training

2014-12-25 Thread Michael Derry
Hi Harry The dual car system is working well, plenty of power, tension control, no cable breaks, no drum tangles and quick turnaround. How is your winch going ? Compared to Australia, the BGA have done a lot of winch launching so it makes sense to look carefully at what they had done. I have re

Re: [Aus-soaring] spin training

2014-12-25 Thread Tim Shirley
Hi Harry, Merry Christmas to you. You have of course (and as usual), correctly identified the real problem. It is safe speed near the ground. Maintain that and there will be no chance of spinning. Spinning is a secondary effect of flying too slow, yet somehow it is now the spin and not the

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Paul Bart
On 26 December 2014 at 19:33, Daryl Mackay wrote: Suffice to say no instructor willingly uses the ASK21 for spin awareness > training at Beverley. ​Hi Daryl Would you mind explaining why? This is a genuine inquiry as my club is about to take a delivery of one.​ ​Cheers Paul​ Cheers Pa

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Daryl Mackay
Hi Paul, Detailed response sent to your personal email address just now. Kind regards, Daryl ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Bernhard
> Hello Paul, good morning all > > You might be interested to know that the US Air Force has already been using > the ASK21 for spin training over several > decades. > > Therefore you might want to refer to a report by the US Air Force on the spin > characteristics of the ASK 21. It was done

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Ron Sanders
Bernard, good morning, i would lke o read that report too please? Ron On 27 December 2014 at 08:18, Bernhard wrote: > Hello Paul, good morning all > > You might be interested to know that the US Air Force has already been > using the ASK21 for spin training over several > decades. > > Therefor

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Ulrich Stauss
: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training Bernard, good morning, i would lke o read that report too please? Ron On 27 December 2014 at 08:18, Bernhard wrote: Hello Paul, good morning all You might be interested to know that the US

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Michael Derry
t; From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders > Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2014 08:44 > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training > > &

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Mike Borgelt
t;> Ulrich >> >> >> >> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net >> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders >> Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2014 08:44 >> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soa

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Anthony Smith
14 10:29 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training The report reminds us how useless the ASI is during spins. You are better off judging speed using the noise levels assessed by your ears. Why hasn't some instrument maker built a better

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Mike Borgelt
ied through AoA or computing speed, g and wing loading etc. Anthony -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Michael Derry Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2014 10:29 AM To: Discussion of issues relati

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-27 Thread Ulrich Stauss
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training You probably could do something very easily for modern non-flapped gliders. AoA indicators have been around for a long time. You could have three critical angles annotated on the devi

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-27 Thread Anthony Smith
ng in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training Is this what you had in mind Anthony? http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/index.php?id=seitenfaden-e Ulrich -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-27 Thread Anthony Smith
Actually, I was thinking a flush mounted static probe rather than a pitot. It would be interesting to see if a transducer could pick up the pressure fluctuations from separated flow and be able to see the difference from attached flow. After doing some work with the RAAF's P-3 wing tips, I am pret

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-27 Thread DMcD
>>You probably could do something very easily for modern non-flapped gliders. >>AoA indicators have been around for a long time. You could have three >>critical angles annotated on the device display: stall, climb and cruise. >>Flapped gliders would need to have a method of knowing what the f

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-27 Thread Paul Bart
SZD 55 also has a stall warning. Cheers Paul On Dec 27, 2014 9:29 PM, "DMcD" wrote: > >>You probably could do something very easily for modern non-flapped > gliders. AoA indicators have been around for a long time. You could have > three critical angles annotated on the device display: stall,

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-27 Thread Mike Borgelt
Might be possible. The frequency of the AC component of the pressure and the amplitude should change as the flow becomes turbulent. AC is good as offsets, temperature effects don't cause problems. Silicon pressure tranducers easily go out to one kilohertz frequency response unless they are the o

RE: [Aus-soaring] Spin Training

2004-09-23 Thread Ulrich Stauss
Having gone through my training in Germany (perhaps a little more recently than Rolf?) I concur with Rolf. The general syllabus was very similar to what we have here, including incipient and full spin training. There was A LOT more theory though. I can't remember whether there was a particular emp