So by your theory, the club class world champion
would be first.
Nick.
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From:
Christopher Mc Donnell
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:53
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Subject: [Aus-soaring] World Class
Glider
Greg O'Sull
:
Nick
Gilbert
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to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 8:48
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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World Class
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So by your theory, the club class world champion
would be first.
Nick.
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Just wondering why Greg co-owns an LS 3 an not a Peewee?
Rgds - Rolf
From: " Christopher Mc Donnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Australia."
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Subject: [Aus-soaring] World Class Glider
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:23:47 +1030
Greg O'Sullivan said:
S
At 06:32 AM 5/04/05 +, you wrote:
>Just wondering why Greg co-owns an LS 3 an not a Peewee?
>Rgds - Rolf
Rolf,
Maybe because no matter what you do to a dead horse it remains DEAD.
Unlike some who criticise it I've actually flown a PW5. It flew OK and I
got back into wind the 14 km or so to M
> Just wondering why Greg co-owns an LS 3 an not a Peewee?
> Rgds - Rolf
>
I couldn't find anyone else interested in a PW-5 syndicate.
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:16:51 +1000, you wrote:
> At 06:32 AM 5/04/05 +, you wrote:
>>Just wondering why Greg co-owns an LS 3 an not a Peewee?
>>Rgds - Rolf
>
> Rolf,
>
> Maybe because no matter what you do to a dead horse it remains DEAD.
>
> Unlike some who criticise it I've actually flown
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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World Class Glider
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:16:51 +1000, you wrote:
> At 06:32 AM 5/04/05 +, you wrote:
>>Just wondering why Greg co-owns an LS 3 an not a Peewee?
>>Rgds - Rolf
>
> Rolf,
>
> Maybe because no matter
It seems odd that the pw got off the ground, but the platypus project didnt.
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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:40 PM
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ion?
Regards
Chris McDonnell
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From: "Mike Borgelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia."
Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2005 4:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] World Class Glider
> At 06:32 AM 5/04/0
At 07:15 PM 5/04/05 +0930, you wrote:
>Mike, before I weigh into this issue, when you said:
>
>"The PW5 was a really dumb idea that saw the light of day because not enough
> IGC delegates were smart enough to vote against it."
>
>Did you mean the "World Class Glider" concept was a dumb idea or the
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 09:27 +1000, Mike Borgelt wrote:
> 6.The "club" class is the "world class". It allows use of gliders that are
> obsolete for current FAI class contests.(Why "sports class" got renamed has
> to do with political correctness and more flogging of dead horses I
> suspect). There m
I wonder why, Greg? Could it have something to do with the $ / performance
ratio? Rgds - Rolf
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rolf a. buelter wrote:
I wonder why, Greg? Could it have something to do with the $ /
performance ratio? Rgds - Rolf
The old "bang for the buck" strikes again. Surprise - surprise - not.
The reality is people and clubs in particular, NEED bang for buck.
Private owners and syndicates are never g
At 10:32 AM 6/04/05 +1000, you wrote:
>On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 09:27 +1000, Mike Borgelt wrote:
>> 6.The "club" class is the "world class". It allows use of gliders that are
>> obsolete for current FAI class contests.(Why "sports class" got renamed has
>> to do with political correctness and more flo
10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World Class Glider
> rolf a. buelter wrote:
>
> > I wonder why, Greg? Could it have something to do with the $ /
> > performance ratio? Rgds - Rolf
>
> The old "bang for the buck" strikes again. Surprise - surprise - not.
> Th
On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 11:23 +1000, Peter Creswick wrote:
> In essence, I wonder if the whole idea of a world class single seater
> is viable to begin with. Would it not be more sensible to have a
> world class two seater ? I admit that at first thought it might be
> considered a heretical idea, b
At 11:23 AM 6/04/05 +1000, you wrote:
In essence, I wonder if the whole idea of a world class
>single seater is viable to begin with. Would it not be more sensible to
>have a world class two seater ? I admit that at first thought it might
>be considered a heretical idea, but let's give it a
quot;
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> At 11:23 AM 6/04/05 +1000, you wrote:
> In essence, I wonder if the whole idea of a world class
> >single seater is viable to begin with. Would it not be more sensible to
> >have a w
nnell
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From: "Mike Borgelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia."
Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2005 8:57 AM
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> At 07:15 PM 5/04/05 +0930, you wrote:
nt: Wednesday, 6 April
2005 4:52 PM
To: Discussion of issues
relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring]
World Class Glider
I had considered a longer
more complex rejoinder to Mike's reply below, but on reflection it simply
boils down to, in my opinion,
At 02:14 PM 6/04/05 +0930, you wrote:
>Thank you for the information Mike Sir.
>"But what do the little people do" says me pulling my forelock if I had one.
>
>Chris mc Donnell
As I said, the "club" class is a suitable world class. These
LS1/Cirrus/Libelle/LS3/Mosquito/Mini Nimbus/PIk20 etc glider
At 03:54 PM 6/04/05 +0930, you wrote:
> Ron said:"GOOD gliding with your own aeroplane is EASILY
>affordable." And I and others do Ron! I said: "to
>participate in the sport at a meaningful level." A world class or
>classes has to be better than the dogs dinner we hav
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:14:50 +1000, Robert Hart wrote:
>I think the concept of a world class glider was probably good, the
>execution, as is visible in the form of the PW 5, was terrible.
And a sequence of externalities got in the way of the planned rollout
-
glasnost
Swidnik production issues
S
and at todays rates?
Chris McDonnell
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From: "Mike Borgelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2005 4:34 PM
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> A
>From Rob Hart
-Original Message-
If a reasonable performance single seat glider, backed by a worldwide
comp system, was available at a good price, then I think the idea would
work. The design should also include a one man rig trailer and (if
possible) provision for self launching (as I to
At 05:00 PM 6/04/05 +0930, you wrote:
>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:14:50 +1000, Robert Hart wrote:
>>I think the concept of a world class glider was probably good, the
>>execution, as is visible in the form of the PW 5, was terrible.
>
>And a sequence of externalities got in the way of the planned roll
At 05:25 PM 6/04/05 +0930, you wrote:
>I did say: "a well chosen World Class Glider".
>Thanks for your thoughts Mike.
>It further confirms my views as to the movement of the sport across the
>economic spectrum.
>I'm lucky though as I am able to participate in it's last affordable days.
>The kids o
At 06:52 PM 6/04/05 +0930, you wrote:
>
>There are a number of problems with Rob's suggestion: Any _new_ std class
>glider design costs about the same amount to produce from scratch regardless
>of performance. Manufacturers try to get the most bang for buck by really
>working the last few percent
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>From Rob Hart
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If a reasonable performance single seat glider,
On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 15:14 +1000, Nick Gilbert wrote:
> This idea was mentioned some years ago, but how about a 1974 World
> Championship Standard Class? If your Glider type competed at the 1974
> Worlds, you are eligible to compete. No handicaps, waterballast allowed,
> fixed tasking, etc...
ft in Aus).
That is 204 eligible gliders. Hell, maybe we could hold the comp at
Waikerie!
Nick.
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From: "Robert Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Soaring in Australia."
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:09 PM
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At 05:10 PM 8/04/05 +1000, you wrote:
>I guess it would work with Open Class, but I was referring to Standard
>Class. When you look at the numbers, in Australia (according to the CASA
>register) there are :
>
>36 Std Cirruses
>42 Std Libelles
>5 ASW-15s
>8 Open Libelles
>4 Jantar Stds
>30 Pik-20s
, 2005 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World Class Glider
At 05:10 PM 8/04/05 +1000, you wrote:
I guess it would work with Open Class, but I was referring to Standard
Class. When you look at the numbers, in Australia (according to the CASA
register) there are :
36 Std Cirruses
42 Std Libelles
5
don't fly with half tanks?
Terry
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From: "Nick Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World Class Glider
> Jantars
At 10:45 PM 10/04/05 -0700, you wrote:
>Have flown my syndicate Jantar with half water for years, not a problem,
>provide you take a few moments to level the wings before takeoff. I think
>that it was just a translation issue to say that you shouldn't do this.
>Which info in the flight manual do yo
I believe the Jantar can be flown at max cockpit load, with max water, within
the MTOW.
Although I am sure it would not a big issue, taking off with part water is
contrary to the flight manual and would not be looked upon favourably by a
coroner if it was found to be a contributing factor in a
But there is a World Class Two-Seater!
It's called a shortwing Kookaburra...
Caleb
Kooka 45
KPST
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From: Robert Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Soaring in Australia."
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:14:50 +1000
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World Class Gl
y, 6 April 2005 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Aus-soaring] World Class Glider
> But there is a World Class Two-Seater!
>
> It's called a shortwing Kookaburra...
>
> Caleb
>
> Kooka 45
>
> KPST
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Hart <[EMAIL
What has happened Cath Conway and her Libelle-philia? Have not seen an email
from her for some time.
PeterS
The solution to this is to take an existing design (proven and popular) eg
H201 Std Libelle and make that the aircraft for a single design comp across
the world. With the original design ef
Title: RE: Ozzie Libelles Re: [Aus-soaring] World Class Glider
Think she was/is actually a Boomerang-o-phile.
SWK
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Stephenson
>
>
> What has happened Cath Conway and her Libelle-philia? Have
> not seen an email from
elating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Ozzie Libelles Re: [Aus-soaring] World Class Glider
>
>
> What has happened Cath Conway and her Libelle-philia? Have
> not seen an email from her for some time. PeterS
> > The solution to this is to take an existing design (proven and
nt: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:22 PM
Subject: RE: Ozzie Libelles Re: [Aus-soaring] World Class Glider
Nope I had the mighty QZ - ES60 Boomerang!
I lurk
-Cath
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