Re: What shell implementations to consider (Was: [1003.1(2008)/Issue 7 0000767]: Add built-in "local")

2017-05-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Robert Elz wrote: > To get away from the dick waving "my shell is bigger than yours" > discussions for a minute ... > > In note 3745 attached to http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=767 > Joerg Schilling proposes making a list of shells to use to help > guide what can be regarded as "standard"

Re: What shell implementations to consider (Was: [1003.1(2008)/Issue 7 0000767]: Add built-in "local")

2017-05-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Robert Elz wrote: > | It also would make sense to check with shells have maintainers > | that are on this list and willing to come to a common agreement. > > Neither were on your list, but the FreeBSD shell and NetBSD shell maintainers > are here too... If the related shells would be availab

Re: What shell implementations to consider (Was: [1003.1(2008)/Issue 7 0000767]: Add built-in "local")

2017-05-29 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 29 May 2017 11:47:04 +0200 From:Joerg Schilling Message-ID: <592bee18.kvZiYpLd6LS/Evf/%joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> | If the related shells would be available as portable code, | it would be easy to test them. There is no requirement that you, o

Re: What shell implementations to consider (Was: [1003.1(2008)/Issue 7 0000767]: Add built-in "local")

2017-05-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Robert Elz wrote: > Date:Mon, 29 May 2017 11:47:04 +0200 > From:Joerg Schilling > Message-ID: > <592bee18.kvZiYpLd6LS/Evf/%joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> > > | If the related shells would be available as portable code, > | it would be easy to test them. >

Re: What shell implementations to consider (Was: [1003.1(2008)/Issue 7 0000767]: Add built-in "local")

2017-05-29 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 29 May 2017 14:38:02 +0200 From:Joerg Schilling Message-ID: <592c162a.syoz+dozzpogtqep%joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> | The problem is that I have a FreeBSD system available for testing, | but not a NetBSD system... It is fairly easy to set up Net

Re: What shell implementations to consider (Was: [1003.1(2008)/Issue 7 0000767]: Add built-in "local")

2017-05-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stephane CHAZELAS wrote: > 2017-05-24 17:21:33 +0200, Joerg Schilling: > > Do you have a pointer to the POSIX text that forbids a subshell in this > > case > > when stdin is redirected? > [...] > > I don't know if you'll find some text that *explicitly* forbids > it to run in a subshell, but y

Re: What shell implementations to consider (Was: [1003.1(2008)/Issue 7 0000767]: Add built-in "local")

2017-05-29 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 05/29/17 04:37 AM, Robert Elz wrote: There is no requirement that you, or I, or anyone else in particular, be able to build and run any particular shell. While that's nice if possible, a shell is still a shell even if its source code is not openly available at all (like any that are in close

Re: What shell implementations to consider (Was: [1003.1(2008)/Issue 7 0000767]: Add built-in "local")

2017-05-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith wrote: > We still ship a couple closed source shells in Solaris - the SVR4 Bourne Shell > as /usr/sunos/bin/sh and a modified ksh88 as /usr/xpg4/bin/sh, but our primary > day to day shells are the common open source ones - bash, ksh93, zsh, etc. Is there any bugfix in /usr/sunos

Re: What shell implementations to consider (Was: [1003.1(2008)/Issue 7 0000767]: Add built-in "local")

2017-05-29 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 05/29/17 01:56 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan Coopersmith wrote: We still ship a couple closed source shells in Solaris - the SVR4 Bourne Shell as /usr/sunos/bin/sh and a modified ksh88 as /usr/xpg4/bin/sh, but our primary day to day shells are the common open source ones - bash, ksh93, zs