JR and I are both scratching our heads on this record We need some other
native speakers to take a look at this record and the wording and perhaps
explain what the writer was trying to say.
A few facts about it are Antonio da Silva Canario and Helena Rosa married in
1854 and have 3 children at
Hi Rick,
I believe it says:
"... e de Helena Roza, d'ocupacao domestica viuva, naturais..." Viuva is
split between two lines.
If that's correct, then Antonio's paternity might be in question.
hope that helps,
Linda
On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 7:24:32 AM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel wr
Hi Richard and JR.
The record is intent clear in that it states the natural father Antonio da
Silva Canario and the mother Helena Rosa, widow, naturals, parishioners
residents of the parish.
it then says that the child Emilia Paternal and Maternal Grandparents are
incognitos. This means both of
OK Margaret but how do you explain the fact that they were married? Their
marriage took place in 1854 and they had three children at the time.
rick
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Richard, the birth of Emilia takes place in 1873. That translates to a 19
year gap. You may very well be looking at two different people for this
couple is NOT legally married.
Further to this the record does not state 'illegitimate" it says natural.
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Richard
Margaret, I think that would be and assumption. I have done extensive research
in this parish and there is only one couple with these names and one other
Helena in the parish that is clearly out of the entire time range. In 1876 when
Helena remarries it clearly states she is the widow of Antonio
I get it. In that case you already have the background, It rests the
possibility of an error on Emilia's birth record where the natural father
was misnamed.
The Santa Casa obit could be ordered if not on line and you could
approximate time of death, it would have to be around 1871-1872. One oth
Richard,
Here's Emilia's marriage record. And, your answer, natural daughter of
Helena Helena Rosa, 22 years old. Left side # 11
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1890-1899_item1/P86.html
Margaret
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:21
I'm helping a family member build their family tree. Jose Vieira Lourenco
of Altares is her Great Grandfather. Jose Vieira Lourenco is married to
Gertrude Marianna. I think is mother is Isabel de Jesus. The following link
is for one of his children but I do not see his wife listed. Instead I see
Thank you Margaret, I was thinking that there is an error on Emilia’s birth
record, and the priest started to write filha legitima corrected himself and
then made a mistake and did not correct himself.
Yes it was the marriage of Emilia that had me questioning the birth record
because she had f
Hi Doreen,
The linked record, is a "notice"/ despacho, not exactly a birth record.
It says that Jose Vieira Lourenco son of Incognito/unknown father and of
Isabel de Jesus natural and parishioner of S. Roque tried to obtain a
certificate of his birth record but it was not possible because the rec
Any time, Richard.
Take care,
Margaret
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> *Thank you Margaret, I was thinking that there is an error on Emilia’s
> birth record, and the priest started to write filha legitima corrected
> himself and then m
I'm not sure what the margin numbers mean on Emilia's baptism, but the 35
wouldn't be her age in 1924. Wouldn't a child born in 1873 that married in
1895 at 22 years old be 51 years old in Sep 1924.
Bill Seidler
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Hi Bill ,
The number refers to the entry number of the Obito book for the year 1924.
Rick
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Bill, is right I didn't do the math. It's not age but as Rick says, the
record number 35.
Good catch Bill :)
Thanks
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I noticed that the caption for the Conceição book said "Obitos do Hospital"
so I took a look. I believe I found that Antonio died 27 Dec 1869. Record
is bottom left.
*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876_item1/P66.html*
Bill that is the death record the margin note gives the date Helena remarried
18 Jan 1898. Thank you.
Rick
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You're right; I hadn't made that connection to the marriage you posted
earlier. A certificate of the obito was made 18 Jan 1876, probably to show
her first marriage dissolved so she could marry 6 days later on the 24th.
Bill
On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 3:51:12 PM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel
Hi,
Here are the marriage and obit records of Manuel Jose de Araujo:
Marriage Top
Right:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P106.html
Obit Bottom
Left:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-M
Sean,
Seems like you'll have to go through the CCA site in Candelaria for 1797 give
or take a year to find Manuel's baptism. Unfortunately, the CITCEM site (for
both Sao Mateus and Concelho da Magadela) doesn't provide his parents, which
leads me to believe he was abandoned. Having said that, i
Another thought: look in baptism records for him to be a godparent or witness
in the year or two BEFORE his marriage. So, roughly 1820-March 1823. As a
single man acting in either capacity, the record would state his parents (or at
minimum, his father) if known.
Gayle
> On May 22, 2017, at
As I suspected, the priest made an error and should have indicated filha
natural de Helena Rosa and Pai Incognito, because her spouse Antonio had
died four years earlier. Or he recorded the record that way purposely. Who
knows. But when Emilia married, as already noted, no father was mentioned;
Obito for Florinda Candida, first wife of Jose Costa Pragana:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-O-1870-1879/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-O-1870-1879_item1/P178.html
Record - 221, Florinda Candida, died Oct 25, 1873 in RGE, at 52 years old,
married to Jose da Costa Pregana
JR
Thanks JR, that should close the book on this one. I am glad Bill found those
hospital records in Conceicao. I didn’t realize they were there.
Rick
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People can abandon their baby today. In my county and state, a baby can be
left at a hospital or fire station, no questions asked. Back then, in the
Azores, they left the baby at the church. Sometimes, they left the baby at
someone's door step, but a lot of the time, it was the church.
The reason
Thank you you the information!
Cheri, I read through John's postings and found it very helpful, I even
noticed Exposto in his obit.
Gayle, I took your advice and searched for his birth record. I believe I
may have found it:
Top
Left:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/P
Sean,
I'm using my iPhone so it's a bit small. But, from what I see it does say he
was left at the home of Jose Silva and to be taken cared of for a period of
seven years. The date is 16 Jan 1797. The godparents are Francisco Silveira
Peixoto, son of Luisa Francisca, and Anna Thomasina, wife of
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