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Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> What is so hard about just doing it right by setting up a dedicated
> server?
>
> And if you can't afford a server now, at least follow the absolutely
> trivial suggestion recommended by Les to start/stop BackupPC when you
Daniel Carrera wrote at about 08:44:20 +0200 on Saturday, May 23, 2009:
> Holger Parplies wrote:
> > you *could* use the DumpPostUserCmd to send a serverMesg to shutdown
> > BackupPC,
> > but I wouldn't recommend that for two reasons:
> >
> > 1.) BackupPC_link needs to run after a backup, s
Daniel Carrera wrote at about 08:25:21 +0200 on Saturday, May 23, 2009:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
> > I don't think scheduled stopping/starting would be a problem in practice
>
> I take it you also don't think that having BackupPC wake up to find no
> backup media will be a problem either. Righ
Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>> What it needs is to be on when the other PC is available for a backup
>> and for some time at midnight when it cleans up expired items from the
>> pool. When I said you could schedule it with cron I guess I was
>> thinking you wouldn't be up all ni
Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Adam Goryachev wrote:
>>> Anyways, thanks for all the help.
>> I've seen on this list some people have managed to use an external HDD
>> (well, a NAS) to actually run
>> Backuppc, sounds like your environment would be well suited to this
>> solution... small requirements, an
Les Mikesell wrote:
> What it needs is to be on when the other PC is available for a backup
> and for some time at midnight when it cleans up expired items from the
> pool. When I said you could schedule it with cron I guess I was
> thinking you wouldn't be up all night removing and connecting
Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>> I don't think scheduled stopping/starting would be a problem in practice
>
> I take it you also don't think that having BackupPC wake up to find no
> backup media will be a problem either. Right?
I'm fairly sure that it will exit at startup if it c
Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Holger Parplies wrote:
>> you *could* use the DumpPostUserCmd to send a serverMesg to shutdown
>> BackupPC,
>> but I wouldn't recommend that for two reasons:
>>
>> 1.) BackupPC_link needs to run after a backup, so you'd have to delay the
>> shutdown for a short but unkn
Adam Goryachev wrote:
>> Anyways, thanks for all the help.
> I've seen on this list some people have managed to use an external HDD
> (well, a NAS) to actually run
> Backuppc, sounds like your environment would be well suited to this
> solution... small requirements, and ability to leave the nas on
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Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>> I don't think scheduled stopping/starting would be a problem in practice
>
> I take it you also don't think that having BackupPC wake up to find no
> backup media will be a problem either. Right?
>
> I can
Holger Parplies wrote:
> you *could* use the DumpPostUserCmd to send a serverMesg to shutdown BackupPC,
> but I wouldn't recommend that for two reasons:
>
> 1.) BackupPC_link needs to run after a backup, so you'd have to delay the
> shutdown for a short but unknown time ('at now + 5 minutes' ?
Les Mikesell wrote:
> I don't think scheduled stopping/starting would be a problem in practice
I take it you also don't think that having BackupPC wake up to find no
backup media will be a problem either. Right?
I can see myself getting a dedicated backup server in the future. Though
part of m
LOL
On Fri, 2009-05-22 at 17:41 -0400, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> Renke Brausse wrote at about 23:31:09 +0200 on Friday, May 22, 2009:
> > > It's that initial setup / learning curve... If was past that I'd be
> > > setting up BackupPC on the toaster oven.
> >
> > excellent point. I started
I believe! I just had to get some backups built and so installed
sbackup last night on the 3 critical machines, manually ran a full and
let it do an incremental in the wee hours. I'm not sure much of
anything could be simpler, but... a few things a couple of you might
have a wee bit of trouble wi
Hi,
Les Mikesell wrote on 2009-05-22 18:55:10 -0500 [Re: [BackupPC-users] Noob
questions]:
> Daniel Carrera wrote:
> > Les Mikesell wrote:
> >> The quick fix might be a cron job to start/stop the service at
> >> appropriate times for you. [...]
> >
> >
Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>> Are you aware of any backup tool that might be more suitable for what I
>>> need? My script works well and I'm happy with it, but I wouldn't mind
>>> getting some additional features like compression and exponential
>>> backups which my script does
Les Mikesell wrote:
>> Are you aware of any backup tool that might be more suitable for what I
>> need? My script works well and I'm happy with it, but I wouldn't mind
>> getting some additional features like compression and exponential
>> backups which my script doesn't do.
>
> The quick fix m
Daniel Carrera wrote:
>
>> > Well, in my mind, I wasn't planning to do it while it's actually backing
>> > up. If BackupPC makes a backup every hour, I don't mind waiting until
>> > it's quiet to unplug the disk and take my laptop to the bedroom.
>>
>> I think your missing Les's point about t
Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Yes. I thought BackupPC was more like a cron job that runs once every
> hour. My current script runs every 2 hours, so I always know when it's
> not running. But if BackupPC runs all the time, then that's different.
>
> Are you aware of any backup tool that might be more s
Holger Parplies wrote:
>> AFAIK there is no harm in making hard links. You are just consuming inodes.
>
> For the record: making hardlinks to files does *not* consume inodes. It adds
> further directory entries pointing to the same inode.
Thanks. Actually, I was a bit confused about the subject.
Hi,
Daniel Carrera wrote on 2009-05-22 21:57:23 +0200 [Re: [BackupPC-users] Noob
questions]:
> Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> > [...]
> > 2. Incrementals only contain hard links for new files vs. your system
> >where every day you create a new hard link for every single
&g
> In fact, it has become so "fire-and-forget" that part of me worries
> what if it really is not doing what I think and hope it is... Maybe I
> should check it out once in a while ;)
the configuration at home is similar to the one at work (and to be
honest: I played with backuppc while I was paid
Hi,
Daniel Carrera wrote on 2009-05-22 23:02:57 +0200 [Re: [BackupPC-users] Noob
questions]:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
> > [...]
> >> On my system the disk always reliably mounts on /media/Daniel. [...]
> >
> > But unless you do a custom install, that's not wher
Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> Daniel Carrera wrote at about 23:02:57 +0200 on Friday, May 22, 2009:
> > Well, in my mind, I wasn't planning to do it while it's actually backing
> > up. If BackupPC makes a backup every hour, I don't mind waiting until
> > it's quiet to unplug the disk and take m
Renke Brausse wrote at about 23:31:09 +0200 on Friday, May 22, 2009:
> > It's that initial setup / learning curve... If was past that I'd be
> > setting up BackupPC on the toaster oven.
>
> excellent point. I started with some backuppc 2.x and my current 3.x is
> _really_ user friedly and eas
Daniel Carrera wrote at about 23:02:57 +0200 on Friday, May 22, 2009:
> Well, in my mind, I wasn't planning to do it while it's actually backing
> up. If BackupPC makes a backup every hour, I don't mind waiting until
> it's quiet to unplug the disk and take my laptop to the bedroom.
I think
> It's that initial setup / learning curve... If was past that I'd be
> setting up BackupPC on the toaster oven.
excellent point. I started with some backuppc 2.x and my current 3.x is
_really_ user friedly and easy going. but if I try to imagine what would
happen when I just looked for a simple b
Les Mikesell wrote:
> It's hard to reconcile a good backup server with hardware that isn't
> 100% available. Have you considered using a 3rd box for the backup
> operation so it can run all the time
I would consider that in the future, but right now I want to save my
pennies, as I will have s
It's that initial setup / learning curve... If was past that I'd be
setting up BackupPC on the toaster oven.
On Fri, 2009-05-22 at 22:43 +0200, Renke Brausse wrote:
> > On the other hand, if you are just backing up home directories on two
> > computers, BackupPC may be overkill.
>
> but backuppc
>
> On the other hand, if you are just backing up home directories on two
> computers, BackupPC may be overkill.
>
That was my thought... sbackup takes a matter of minutes to set up.
I'm having that debate with myself over 5 computers.
Les Mikesell wrote:
> The reason for backing things up is that things go wrong. Things can go
> wrong that destroy everything in the same location. If you don't have
> at least 2, the backup copy is going to be in the same location as the
> only other copy you have at least part of the time.
Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
>> On the other hand, if you are just backing up home directories on two
>> computers, BackupPC may be overkill.
>
> It is really hard to find a backup solution at the right level for me.
> Everything is either "home user" which means it can only
Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> I wouldn't hard-wire that in because people might want different
> behaviors. If you look back in the archive, you will notice that I
> required similar behavior to check for a volume nfs mounted on another
> server and to try to remount it if it is not mounted.
I did
Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>> I suspect that most people using an external disk use more than one and
>> leave one connected most of the time.
>
> I can't see myself ever doing that. I don't know why I would ever need
> two external disks.
The reason for backing things up is th
Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> On the other hand, if you are just backing up home directories on two
> computers, BackupPC may be overkill.
It is really hard to find a backup solution at the right level for me.
Everything is either "home user" which means it can only backup one PC
or "enterprise"
> On the other hand, if you are just backing up home directories on two
> computers, BackupPC may be overkill.
but backuppc is convenient - okay, I have to admit that I use it to
backup my ~25 servers so I'm maybe not really unbiased in my opinions
regarding decent backup solutions.
but anyway:
Daniel Carrera wrote at about 21:57:23 +0200 on Friday, May 22, 2009:
> Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> > Not sure if you yet realize this, but BackupPC actually does
> > more than just hard links and compression. Specifically,
> >
> > 1. It has the notion of a "pool" so that common files betwee
Daniel Carrera wrote at about 21:19:47 +0200 on Friday, May 22, 2009:
> Hi Les,
>
> Thanks for the help. Comments below.
>
> > It doesn't have a concept of it's archive directory being
> > gone, though. You'll probably have to start and stop the service when
> > you connect/remove it.
Les Mikesell wrote:
> I suspect that most people using an external disk use more than one and
> leave one connected most of the time.
I can't see myself ever doing that. I don't know why I would ever need
two external disks.
> It would probably exit on such an error anyway, but there is a bigge
Daniel Carrera wrote:
>
>> 2. Incrementals only contain hard links for new files vs. your system
>>where every day you create a new hard link for every single
>>file.
>
> Ok. I didn't know this. Is there any benefit to the BackupPC method? I
> kind of like my system because it makes it r
Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote:
> Not sure if you yet realize this, but BackupPC actually does
> more than just hard links and compression. Specifically,
>
> 1. It has the notion of a "pool" so that common files between multiply
>backed up computers are only copied once. When you have multiple
>
Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Hi Les,
>
> Thanks for the help. Comments below.
>
>> It doesn't have a concept of it's archive directory being
>> gone, though. You'll probably have to start and stop the service when
>> you connect/remove it.
>
> Would it be difficult to add this feature? I imagine t
Daniel Carrera wrote at about 19:53:32 +0200 on Friday, May 22, 2009:
> Hello,
>
> I just started taking a look at BackupPC. It looks really good.
>
> I'm looking for a backup solution for a home network (two Linux PCs). My
> current solution is a simple script using rsync and hard links t
Hi Les,
Thanks for the help. Comments below.
> It doesn't have a concept of it's archive directory being
> gone, though. You'll probably have to start and stop the service when
> you connect/remove it.
Would it be difficult to add this feature? I imagine that I'm not the
first person to try
Daniel Carrera wrote:
>
> 1) Does BackupPC detect file corruption? The way I deal with file
> corruption is that once a week I give rsync the --check flag.
Yes, when using rsync as the xfer method, 'full' backups do the block
checksum comparison on everything while 'incremental' runs skip files
Hello,
I just started taking a look at BackupPC. It looks really good.
I'm looking for a backup solution for a home network (two Linux PCs). My
current solution is a simple script using rsync and hard links to create
the appearance of daily backups. What got my attention about BackupPC is
that
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