Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-19 Thread Alan Brown
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, Jesper Krogh wrote: I'm multiplexing anything up to 20 jobs at a time. To ensure that small incremental and diff jobs are dumped in one hit and to ensure that full backups are laid in as large chunks as possible, this is the kindof size which is required. Are you

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-18 Thread Arno Lehmann
Hi, 18.12.2008 06:50, Jesper Krogh wrote: Alan Brown wrote: Jesper Krogh wrote: I'm running spooling on a 4 drive software raid0 quite happily on a 4Gb 3GHz P4D machine. The limiting factors are disk head seek time(*) when running concurrent backups to 2 LTO2 drives and available SATA ports.

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-18 Thread Alan Brown
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, Jesper Krogh wrote: 100-200Gb ram and systems capable of addressing that amount of memory are still far more expensive than a stack of flash drives, else I'd use them. But do you need to spool a complete tape? In order to avoid doing evil stuff to you tape drive, much

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-18 Thread Jesper Krogh
Thanks for the elaborate reply. Just a few more querious questions. Alan Brown wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, Jesper Krogh wrote: 100-200Gb ram and systems capable of addressing that amount of memory are still far more expensive than a stack of flash drives, else I'd use them. But do you need

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-17 Thread Alan Brown
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Josh Fisher wrote: I'm running spooling on a 4 drive software raid0 quite happily on a 4Gb 3GHz P4D machine. The limiting factors are disk head seek time(*) when running concurrent backups to 2 LTO2 drives and available SATA ports. Because of that I'm considering

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-17 Thread Jesper Krogh
Alan Brown wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Brian Debelius wrote: John Drescher wrote: In linux, I find this to be completely wrong. I have 15TB of software raid 6 and the most load that it puts on the cpu is around 7% and these are raid arrays that net over 200MB/s writes on single core systems

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-17 Thread Alan Brown
Jesper Krogh wrote: I'm running spooling on a 4 drive software raid0 quite happily on a 4Gb 3GHz P4D machine. The limiting factors are disk head seek time(*) when running concurrent backups to 2 LTO2 drives and available SATA ports. Because of that I'm considering dropping in solid state

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-17 Thread Jesper Krogh
Alan Brown wrote: Jesper Krogh wrote: I'm running spooling on a 4 drive software raid0 quite happily on a 4Gb 3GHz P4D machine. The limiting factors are disk head seek time(*) when running concurrent backups to 2 LTO2 drives and available SATA ports. Because of that I'm considering dropping

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-10 Thread Alan Brown
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Jeff Kalchik wrote: *NEVER* use software RAID if you can avoid it. Software RAID puts a pretty good hit right on your CPU. That hasn't been true in Linux for a number of years. Given a modern machine (less than 2-5 years old) _and sufficient ram_, Linux software raid is a

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-10 Thread Alan Brown
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: I'm not sure about ubuntu, but if you are installing debian you can setup raid right there, during installation. It was fairly easy. After that bacula setup and you are ready to go. Ubuntu _is_ Debian, more or less. There's plenty of

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-10 Thread Alan Brown
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Brian Debelius wrote: John Drescher wrote: In linux, I find this to be completely wrong. I have 15TB of software raid 6 and the most load that it puts on the cpu is around 7% and these are raid arrays that net over 200MB/s writes on single core systems that are 3 or

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-10 Thread Brian Debelius
Well right now I have an old Asus k8v-se which has an Athlon 64 processor. So from the conversation, it seems that it should be enough for software raid. But the basboard has only 2 sata ports, and 2 raid ports, and 5 PCI slots. If I wanted more disks I would have to add a controller, or

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-10 Thread John Drescher
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Brian Debelius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well right now I have an old Asus k8v-se which has an Athlon 64 processor. Some of my raid older servers are very similar to this motherboard with Athlon64 3000 chips. So from the conversation, it seems that it should

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-10 Thread thing
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:04 PM, John Drescher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do you think a reasonable cpu for bacula would be? Depends on what level of performance you are looking for. My director is a 2 processor 2GHz opteron machine (circa 2003) with 4

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-10 Thread Josh Fisher
Alan Brown wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Brian Debelius wrote: John Drescher wrote: In linux, I find this to be completely wrong. I have 15TB of software raid 6 and the most load that it puts on the cpu is around 7% and these are raid arrays that net over 200MB/s writes on single

[Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-09 Thread Brian Debelius
Hello, I am currently running Ubuntu. The bacula director and sd are on this box. I have bacula configured to spool to this box, and then it goes directly to tape. I want to change how I am backing up. I would like to have some period of time of disk backups, and have them

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-09 Thread Jeff Kalchik
Hello, I am currently running Ubuntu. The bacula director and sd are on this box. I have bacula configured to spool to this box, and then it goes directly to tape. I want to change how I am backing up. I would like to have some period of time of disk backups, and have them

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-09 Thread John Drescher
*NEVER* use software RAID if you can avoid it. Software RAID puts a pretty good hit right on your CPU. In linux, I find this to be completely wrong. I have 15TB of software raid 6 and the most load that it puts on the cpu is around 7% and these are raid arrays that net over 200MB/s writes on

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-09 Thread thing
Normally I would say, 1) Performance generally ie cpu hit is not a huge issue IMHO, especially with todays dual and quad core cpus...and of course ram is dirt cheap. 2) For me the big issues is Ive lost software raid sets from power failures for a backup partition that's probably no

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-09 Thread John Drescher
So what do you think a reasonable cpu for bacula would be? Depends on what level of performance you are looking for. My director is a 2 processor 2GHz opteron machine (circa 2003) with 4 GB of memory and 18 or so x 250 GB SATA 1 drives in raid 6. My main storage daemon is on a second machine

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-09 Thread Brian Debelius
John Drescher wrote: In linux, I find this to be completely wrong. I have 15TB of software raid 6 and the most load that it puts on the cpu is around 7% and these are raid arrays that net over 200MB/s writes on single core systems that are 3 or so years old. So what do you think a reasonable

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-09 Thread Wolfgang Denk
Dear Jeff Kalchik, In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: *NEVER* use software RAID if you can avoid it. Software RAID puts a pretty good hit right on your CPU. He. So what does me a h/w RAID controller good when I find myself having the system in 90% I/O wait? On a file server

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-09 Thread Steven Jones
Brian Debelius wrote: John Drescher wrote: In linux, I find this to be completely wrong. I have 15TB of software raid 6 and the most load that it puts on the cpu is around 7% and these are raid arrays that net over 200MB/s writes on single core systems that are 3 or so years old. So what do

Re: [Bacula-users] Time for change

2008-12-09 Thread Dan Langille
Jeff Kalchik wrote: Hello, I am currently running Ubuntu. The bacula director and sd are on this box. I have bacula configured to spool to this box, and then it goes directly to tape. I want to change how I am backing up. I would like to have some period of time of disk backups, and have