Re: Baha'u'llah and the Templars

2004-12-19 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 22:09:25 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you are correcting my grammar? No, I'm pointing out that he is in no position to correct his book. This is a comment from William Pike on soc.relgion,bahai which may or may not be verified elsewhere. It is the

Re: Baha'u'llah and the Templars

2004-12-19 Thread Mark A. Foster
Hi, Gilberto, At 06:12 PM 12/18/2004, you wrote: I've heard (although I don't remember the exact source this second) that Sears has specifically not chosen to correct the errors in Thief in the Night so that one could still honestly say that the book was written in its entirety by a

Re: Baha'u'llah and the Templars

2004-12-19 Thread Gilberto Simpson
Okay, cool. In the absence of further information, I will no longer assume my initial statement about Sears to be true. Your explanation seems more plausible. Peace Gilberto On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 03:55:04 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Gilberto, At 06:12 PM 12/18/2004,

RE: Baha'u'llah and the Templars [and reading the Scriptures] the Kitab with reverence attention and thought

2004-12-19 Thread Khazeh Fananapazir
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:16:19 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thief In The Night contains the opinions and understanding of the author, which reflects the Bahá'í position of the time, as far as I know. It still makes for fascinating reading, and remains a great tool to spark interest in the Faith.

RE: Baha'u'llah and the Templars [and reading the Scriptures] the Kitab with reverence attention and thought

2004-12-19 Thread dlmbrt
Khazeh wrote: On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:16:19 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thief In The Night contains the opinions and understanding of the author, which reflects the Bahá'í position of the time, as far as I know. It still makes for fascinating reading, and remains a great tool to spark

RE: Baha'u'llah and the Templars [and reading the Scriptures] the Kitab with reverence attention and thought

2004-12-19 Thread Susan Maneck
and books written to strengthen faith and certitude in a second derivative sense, one should look at the positive, at the bounties of explication, and of truth. In this Faith, the Faith of Baha'u'llah we have been thus commanded: **Warn, O Salman, the beloved of the one true God, not to view

Re: Review

2004-12-19 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:28:41 -0600, Barbara Clements [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any writer who says the review process is the reason s/he doesn't write is only looking for an excuse not to face the prospect of rejection from many levels. It is a cop-out, not a legitimate reason. Probably

A few observations on recent postings

2004-12-19 Thread Brent Poirier
1. As far as Thief in the Night, my recollection is that Mr. Sears told us that he wrote that book when he was a Catholic. I know from his wife Marguerite that he left behind a good number of unpublished works including plays that were fully scripted. So he was a prolific writer, and

Re: Clarification (I hope)

2004-12-19 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:41:21 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some time ago you wrote: And I thought there was a passage actually in the writings saying that previous religions (at least Islam) was intended to be universal but the blamed the behavior of the followers.

Re: Clarification (I hope)

2004-12-19 Thread Don Calkins
At 3:58 PM -0500 12/19/04, Gilberto Simpson wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:41:21 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some time ago you wrote: And I thought there was a passage actually in the writings saying that previous religions (at least Islam) was intended to be universal

Re: Clarification (I hope)

2004-12-19 Thread Mark A. Foster
I think you're thinking of as statement of the Bab, but I don't remember enough to search for it. In the Bayan the Bab says that every religion of the past was fit to become universal. The only reason why they failed to attain that mark was the incompetence of their followers. He then

Re: Clarification (I hope)

2004-12-19 Thread Gilberto Simpson
YES That's the quote I was thinking of. It's weird though. I had a really hard time trying to find it on the true seeker website. So how universal is universal? Would it apply to all times? All places? If we still have the Quran then couldn't Islam continue to be universal? Peace

Re: Clarification (I hope)

2004-12-19 Thread Mark A. Foster
Gilberto, At 06:22 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote: So how universal is universal? Would it apply to all times? All places? If we still have the Quran then couldn't Islam continue to be universal? My understanding is that each divine Revelation was globally applicable to to human requirements for a

Re: Clarification (I hope)

2004-12-19 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:31:21 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto, At 06:22 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote: So how universal is universal? Would it apply to all times? All places? If we still have the Quran then couldn't Islam continue to be universal? Mark: My understanding

Re: Clarification (I hope)

2004-12-19 Thread Mark A. Foster
Gilberto, At 06:35 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote: So when if the Bab said each religion of the past was fit to be universal, you are taking universal in terms of space, but not in terms of being valid for all times? IMO, it depends on how you define valid for all times. IMO, a Revelation is

Re: Clarification (I hope)

2004-12-19 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:53:14 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . A Revelation doesn't lose its validity or its influence because of the appearance of a new Messenger. IMO, some Baha'is have taken `Abdu'l-Baha's seasonal metaphor a bit too far. In the spiritual winter of a

Re: Clarification (I hope)

2004-12-19 Thread Mark A. Foster
Gilberto, At 07:54 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote: So what is the difference you are making between a religion being dead and the divine intentionality for a particular religion being at an end? I would never be so presumptuous to say that a divinely revealed religion, or branch of that religion,

Re: Not Exhausted

2004-12-19 Thread Rich Ater
Gilberto: I think you have to be careful about how you go about doing it. Bahais call their belief *progressive* revelation which strongly suggests that the dispensations of the Bab and then of Bahaullah are somehow deeper, more complete, more suitable, new and improved, or otherwise

Re: Not Exhausted

2004-12-19 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:04:14 -0800, Rich Ater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [If I remember correctly, this was a response to the issue of whether the concept of progressive revelation, implied criticizing God for the previous revelations] Gilberto: I think you have to be careful about how you go

RE: Not Exhausted

2004-12-19 Thread Susan Maneck
I'm not sure I've read enough of Bahaullah's writings to say that he gives a particularly deep understanding. Some Bahai interpretations of Quranic passages I don't find terribly satisfying or super-deep. I think there are Muslim scholars, especially Sufis and others who interpret the Quran in

RE: Clarification (I hope)

2004-12-19 Thread Khazeh Fananapazir
Gilberto, At 07:54 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote: So what is the difference you are making between a religion being dead and the divine intentionality for a particular religion being at an end? I would never be so presumptuous to say that a divinely revealed religion, or branch of that religion,