Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-30 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Wine is najis in Islam for many schools. And in the Bahai texts tobacco is described as very filthy and unclean. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv In regards to this whole najas issue, it is not just

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-30 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D. iskandar@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv  I do welcome and appreciate a spiritual and metaphorical reading of that verse in Surah of Towbeh. I disagree that at the time of its revelation it was

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-29 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Gilberto; Thanks for your message. A couple of points, since we are discussing differences: Cleanliness and litAAfat (both physical purity and cleanliness and spiritual, mental cleanliness, purity of thought, purity of mind) is certainly very much encouraged in

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-29 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv A revelation direct from God? Can there be a revelation indirect from God?   I guess we could give Joseph Smith as an example. He could communicate with angels and he had the spiritual ability to translate the Book of Mormon. The prophet was Moroni from the

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-29 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Regarding your question about a lying impostor, etc. I would say that if someone claims to have a Revelation direct from God, then I should do an unfettered and independent investigation of the issue and try to determine with my own judgement if s/he is true or a

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-29 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv What about the restoration of an existing religion? According to Abdu'l-Baha's interpretation anyone claiming authority over the House of Justice would be laying claim to an Amr in that sense: The meaning of this is that any individual who, before the expiry of a

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-29 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Doesn't the UHJ only have jurisdiction over Baha'is? The Baha'i Studies Listserv What about the restoration of an existing religion? According to Abdu'l-Baha's interpretation anyone claiming authority over the House of Justice would be laying claim to an Amr in

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-29 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Doesn't the UHJ only have jurisdiction over Baha'is? Of course. And the statement whoso layeth claim to a revelation direct from God is directed to Baha'is as well. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as:

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-29 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Continuing... On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Gilberto Simpson gilberto.simp...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Iskandar Hai, M.D. iskandar@gmail.com wrote: Dear Gilberto; Thanks for your message. You are welcome. A couple of

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-29 Thread Stephen Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv So why should non-Baha'is care if Baha'u'llah says there will be no new prophets for atleast 1000 years? (Some Pilgrim Note say 1000 years is a minimum and it could be 6000 years to 500,000 years depending on the need of humanity.) The Baha'i Studies Listserv

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-29 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv In regards to this whole najas issue, it is not just that Baha'is don't regard unbelievers as unclean, we also have no concept of ritual uncleanliness in regards to certain foods as Muslims do. Of course, we wash our food, but there are no foods, other than drugs and

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-28 Thread iskandar.hai
BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Gilberto Simpson gilberto.simp...@gmail.com Sender: bounce-511148-2080...@list.jccc.eduDate: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 04:06:42 To: Baha'i Studiesbahai-st@list.jccc.edu Reply-To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Subject: Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-28 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:53 AM, iskandar@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv As I said, I was trying to wrap up and I am reluctant to make detailed comments about the following. It looks like Matt Haase understood at least some of the points I

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-25 Thread Matt Haase
@list.jccc.edu Subject: Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:43 AM, iskandar@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Much thanks, dear Gilberto for your comments. Baha'is believe that Muhammad is the last Prophet

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-25 Thread Gilberto Simpson
: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:43 AM,  iskandar@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Much thanks, dear Gilberto for your comments. Baha'is believe that Muhammad is the last Prophet in the same sense that Jesus

Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-24 Thread Tim Nolan
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I was brought up as a Catholic, and now I am a Baha'i.  When I was a Catholic boy, I was taught to despise Muhammad and to look on the Qur'an as a strange book that should be avoided. Now *because*  of accepting Baha'i teachings, I believe Muhammad was a Messenger

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-24 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Tim Nolan tnola...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I was brought up as a Catholic, and now I am a Baha'i.  When I was a Catholic boy, I was taught to despise Muhammad and to look on the Qur'an as a strange book that

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-24 Thread iskandar.hai
-510956-2080...@list.jccc.eduDate: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:26:24 To: Baha'i Studiesbahai-st@list.jccc.edu Reply-To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Subject: Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Tim Nolan tnola...@yahoo.com wrote

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-24 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Regarding the 19-day feast: it is open to non-Baha'is. During the consultation period of the 19-day feast, if a vote is going to be taken, then the votes of Baha'is are counted, naturally. Dear Iskandar, My understanding is that we are still not suppose to be

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-24 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv There are definitely historical examples of Bahai missionaries using hikmat to pretend to be Sufis and claimed Bahaullah was a Sufi Shaykh in order to get converts. Where that has happened, it was almost never to get converts, in fact it was done usually in areas

Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions

2010-06-24 Thread iskandar.hai
Reply-To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Subject: Re: Respect for Islam (was: Re: Ablutions The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:43 AM, iskandar@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Much thanks, dear Gilberto for your comments. Baha'is believe that Muhammad