Allan,
My view is very simple. I am a lurker as would be described in previous
post, though that is due to the fact that I am not pre-disposed to writing,
it is not the way in which I tend to work.
Intimidation only works and will continue to work until we are no longer
intimidated. The effects
Subject: Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Interesting thread, and the evolution of BDNow! continues.
The archives are a tremendously valuable asset, and it would be a shame if
they were not made available to those who truly have an interest in BD.
The fact that anyone
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From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: Personal Security vs National Security
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From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday
www.rain.org/~jjgelles/economic-rights.htm
This url is not coming up for me, Barbara. -Allan
Hi Allan
Have you noticed how the lurkers seem to be against your idea
and most of the active posters in favour ? ('cept Frank of course)
Lloyd Charles
Sorry, Lloyd, Frank is definitely in the lurker column. -Allan
Folks -
I undoubtedly have added to the confusion by my choice of a subject,
so I wanted to make a couple of comment before sitting back and
letting this conversation run its course.
This is not a freedom of speech issue. This is working consciously
towards a 'freedom from Johnsons.' If I
Given that domestic espionage is in the vogue,
Given that everywhere I go I run into avid readers of BD Now! who
never post to BD Now! because they do not want a permanent GOOGLE
searchable record of their spiritual and agricultural insights
Given that yours truly was recently refused entrance
Please tell us more about the circumstances where it took place! Michael
At 09:57 PM 01/08/03 -0500, you wrote:
Given that yours truly was recently refused entrance into a public
building because a web search revealed that my 'world view does not
coincide with ours.'
I'm not sure of the difference between member oriented and public archive. Would
this require registration/password or a membership fee?
How do we protect ourselves from all this anyways, unless you're going to totally
subvert your personality i.e. never say what you think, don't buy any books
I think it will be too naïve to think that something on internet could
be private. By making it private - for members eyes only, You do not
solve the real problem and that is that someone has right to prevent
Your free access to public property.
Regards
Zoran
A case in point: You apply for a job with fairly conventional
non-profit that does good work but doesn't think outside of the box.
They are very impressed with your accomplishments, so, since they are
office workers and have nothing else to do, they pound your name into
google to see if they
Apart from public exposure, what difference would it make? Any costs
involved? What changes in mode, etc? And is it feasible, or would it
involve too much work organising the change?I guess not, or you
wouldn't be suggesting it.
Helen
I'm very not comfortable with YahooGroups, for
Dear Zoran -
I'm not trying to solve the larger issues, just trying to create
privacy from unintentional eavesdropping so that members of the list
feel more comfortable sharing.
The archives, incidentally, did not appear accidentally. They were
requested back in the early days, back when some
Please tell us more about the circumstances where it took place! Michael
Michael!
Please, can I have some sensitivity?
Thanks
Allan
From: Allan Balliett
I'm very not comfortable with YahooGroups, for reasons mentioned and
others.
I detest Yahool!! BDnow is THE BEST
What I would like to do is keep the archives here and physically
dispense them on a quarterly basis. The archives would not be
available to lurkers, only to
I'd like to see these recorded there is a lot of good stuff on those early
archives!!
All dangerously outdated, Lloyd.
Ok, I'm kidding. The plan is to incorporate all the archives on the first CD.
This will work best if someone in OZ volunteers to work from disk
images and will burn and
If it's any help, the issue of open archives was discussed years ago on
anthropos-science list run by Stuart Brown at Reading UK and the wish of
members was overwhelmingly in favour of member-only archive access.
Otherwise it inhibits 'conversation' and helps the spammers. Apart from
that, the
amen
brand new "member"
jeff barney
oops! the amen was to david's post from wales. I didn't realize as newbie that his post wouldn't ride along with my reply.
jeff barney
Title: Re: Personal Security vs National Security
(Allan wrote:) MANY people I talk to at conferences have told me that they do not want to associate their
names with their ideas in such a public place.
This is very sad. Curtis would like you to tell your story to GlobalNews. Or some version
Allan may have really really needed that job--and jobs are scarce these
days.
If we all owned our own farms and were independently wealthy, this would be
less of an issue. I also wonder about those on the listserve who are in
other countries with less freedom than we have in the U.S. and whether
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From: Merla Barberie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Yes, please record the early archives and made them available if you
expunge
them.
The whole climate in our beloved
I don't have time to read through all the posts,
but I got far enough to voice my opinion.
Allan, sorry but I don't think much of your idea
to move BD-Now to a private space and
to expunge the earlier archives.
I don't think much of YahooGroups, either.
Yet, I will certainly join the private
Interesting thread, and the evolution of BDNow! continues.
The archives are a tremendously valuable asset, and it would be a shame if
they were not made available to those who truly have an interest in BD.
The fact that anyone, with the stroke of a key can access them, can lead,
as Allan has
David - What is your real name? -Allan
David Heaf. My somewhat anonymous e-address 101622 dot 2773 at compuserve
dot com was issued in 1995 when Compuserve did not allow names in
e-addresses.
David Heaf,
Wales, UK
Thanks Gil! wading isn't an option at this depth!
My wife and I have a small home garden here in Durham North Carolina and are looking to take the full scale plunge. We've sprayed the nine preps for two years and the Three Kings this year. There are two more in this area Jon with 161 acres and
Hi! Jeff,
Do not take those comments personally. I think they are directed at
a few individuals, known to some on the list, but not the bulk of us. I
think it is aimed at a few who are doing the "my God is a better God than
yours" or "my god is the only God, therefore yours must be the devil"
Thank you Zoran,
I am upgrading at the moment and the new box has ten gigs so will have room,
if I am quick!
Gil
zoran wrote:
I know from fundamentalists in every organization. My bone of contention is: if one trashes a whole group without specific example, especially in light of the broad discussion under this subject line, then a tacit understaning is implied. Forming by default an opposing fundamentalist mimey culty
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From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Hi Allan
Have you noticed how the lurkers seem to be against your idea
and most of the active
Allan Balliett wrote:
It seems to me that it would be best to move into a more 'member
oriented' archive instead of a public archive.
The major purpose of this list is to speak openly and to share our
experiences in some fairly unusual realms.
I think everyone is feeling this shyness. I
Also answers to King?
Gil
Allan Balliett wrote:
David - What is your real name? -Allan
Hi! Allan,
If you are to move to have the earlier archives expunged, I for one would like
to buy how ever many CDs are involved to obtain a full set of back posts, as I
have only been on for a while and only now found out how to access them. I would
really like to be able to look though them at
Yes I agree
Certainly one of my reasons for 'quiter' participation
Glen A
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From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:57 PM
Subject: Personal Security vs National Security
Given that domestic espionage is in the
Allan -
What was that about??
Essie
At 09:57 PM 01/08/03 -0500, you wrote:
Given that yours truly was recently refused entrance into a public
building because a web search revealed that my 'world view does not
coincide with ours.'
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