>> You can clear fields, but it just removes that tag from the file, i.e.
>> rather than write TALB=, it won't put a TALB tag in the file.
>
>so it actually removes that field from within the tag? that seems very
>whacked out to me.
Why? All tags are treated equally. You only need to store tags
Philip Meyer;481503 Wrote:
> >but i don't think most users browse by genre.
> I think many users browse by genre, as it limits the albums to scroll
> through to a type of music the user wants to play. I do it quite
> frequently, eg. if I only want to find a quiet album to play in bed when
> I ca
Philip Meyer;481499 Wrote:
>
> >- Browsing Genres, the album shows up under 'No Genre > No Artist > No
> Album'.
> >- Browsing Artists, the album shows up under 'No Artist > No Album'.
> >
> Which is what I said last time Mr Sinatra didn't listen to me, but I
> think he doesn't browse the librar
Philip Meyer;481499 Wrote:
>
> >- Browsing Albums, the album doesn't show up at all and the album and
> >track counts are reduced.
> >
> Which I would say is a bug - surely songs should appear under Browse
> Albums as No Album by Various Artists.
>
> I thought it used to (I don't Browse Albums
>but i don't think most users browse by genre.
I think many users browse by genre, as it limits the albums to scroll through
to a type of music the user wants to play. I do it quite frequently, eg. if I
only want to find a quiet album to play in bed when I can't sleep, I Browse
Genres > Ambient
>If you have more than one untagged album, that 'No Album' album becomes
>quite a mess.
>
No Album is just one big compilation album, and like any other compilation it
can be accessed in different ways. Via an Artist (only shows No Album songs by
that artist), via No Artist (only shows No Album
MrSinatra;481487 Wrote:
>
> > - Browsing Genres, the album shows up under 'No Genre > No Artist >
> No
> > Album'.
>
> shows up how? like for each song, whats there? a filename?
>
> its good that its there in some way, but i don't think most users
> browse by genre.
Same as before. The filen
JJZolx;481484 Wrote:
> - Browsing Genres, the album shows up under 'No Genre > No Artist > No
> Album'.
shows up how? like for each song, whats there? a filename?
its good that its there in some way, but i don't think most users
browse by genre.
JJZolx;481484 Wrote:
> - Browsing Artists, th
MrSinatra;481479 Wrote:
> what does it do if it has no tags at all
- Browsing Genres, the album shows up under 'No Genre > No Artist > No
Album'.
- Browsing Artists, the album shows up under 'No Artist > No Album'.
- Browsing Albums, the album doesn't show up at all and the album and
track cou
JJZolx;481481 Wrote:
> It's 7.5 and the files are FLAC. Bug 8380 concerns tag merging and
> mostly applies to MP3 files with both ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags. Doesn't
> Andy's new ID3 tag merging address those issues for you?
indeed, i'm very happy with it, b/c its good for SBS. (my personal
tags ar
MrSinatra;481478 Wrote:
> thats good news actually, b/c thats EXACTLY what i've been suggesting
> for months... just look at bug 8380
>
> it didn't used to do that. what ver of SBS is it doing it for you?
It's 7.5 and the files are FLAC. Bug 8380 concerns tag merging and
mostly applies to MP
btw, what does it do if it has no tags at all; and what does it do if it
has tag[s] but they are completely devoid of data?
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thats good news actually, b/c thats EXACTLY what i've been suggesting
for months... just look at bug 8380
it didn't used to do that. what ver of SBS is it doing it for you?
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MrSinatra;481438 Wrote:
> does ANYONE purposely have "title" blank on a track?
>
> and even if they do, which is dopey, how would you play it in SBS if
> its not listed?
Well, let's test that, shall we... Looks like SbS simply uses the
filename when all else fails (I have no guess tags formats
Philip Meyer;481346 Wrote:
> >it sounded to me like testing for "title" in the Vorbis tag was what
> >Andy was suggesting. if "title" were blank, then use id3 if present
> and
> >filled out. if not, ignore all other tags and just use Vorbis.
> >
> >Andy, would that not be the best way?
> No, it
Philip Meyer;481343 Wrote:
> >i don't think this would be widespread, but what if you had a Vorbis
> tag
> >present in the file, however it was blank? meanwhile, you also had
> an
> >id3 tag in that file, and it WASN'T blank?
> If the album was ripped from CD to FLAC, I'd expect the ripper to wr
Teus de Jong;481334 Wrote:
> Yes, I've done that now.
I'm still doing :).
> Finally, the test with the latest build: the problem I mentioned in the
> first post is solved by Andy's fix.
For me, too. Now everything is on 7.3.3 standard again :).
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>it sounded to me like testing for "title" in the Vorbis tag was what
>Andy was suggesting. if "title" were blank, then use id3 if present and
>filled out. if not, ignore all other tags and just use Vorbis.
>
>Andy, would that not be the best way?
No, it wouldn't. There could be times when title
>Thank you for your elaborate explanation Philip. Would clearing the
>check box I mentioned in my previous post result in clearing all id3
>tags and leave only the ones I see (the FLAC tags)?
There's no settings to control what gets read or written for FLAC tags. The
easiest approach is to delet
>i don't think this would be widespread, but what if you had a Vorbis tag
>present in the file, however it was blank? meanwhile, you also had an
>id3 tag in that file, and it WASN'T blank?
If the album was ripped from CD to FLAC, I'd expect the ripper to write FLAC
tags, and may or may not write
i don't think this would be widespread, but what if you had a Vorbis tag
present in the file, however it was blank? meanwhile, you also had an
id3 tag in that file, and it WASN'T blank?
if the Vorbis tag is "present" yet blank, and SBS then ignores
everything else, it will not be viewable in SBS
Philip Meyer;481326 Wrote:
> >
> There's no settings to control what gets read or written for FLAC tags.
> The easiest approach is to delete all tags, and then undo, which will
> write the FLAC tags back without the id3 tags.
Yes, I've done that now.
Finally, the test with the latest build: the
I totally agree with this approach.
Teus
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On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Philip Meyer wrote:
>
> andyg;481139 Wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:05 AM, MrSinatra wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> sounds appropriate to me! :)
>>>
>>> just to be clear, you are saying if it has Vorbis tags present, but
>>
>>> the
>>> TITLE field in the vorbis tag is blank, then
andyg;481139 Wrote:
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:05 AM, MrSinatra wrote:
>
> >
> > sounds appropriate to me! :)
> >
> > just to be clear, you are saying if it has Vorbis tags present, but
>
> > the
> > TITLE field in the vorbis tag is blank, then in that case, it will
> > forget Vorbis altogether a
On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:05 AM, MrSinatra wrote:
>
> sounds appropriate to me! :)
>
> just to be clear, you are saying if it has Vorbis tags present, but
> the
> TITLE field in the vorbis tag is blank, then in that case, it will
> forget Vorbis altogether and use the id3 tag instead, right? or
sounds appropriate to me! :)
just to be clear, you are saying if it has Vorbis tags present, but the
TITLE field in the vorbis tag is blank, then in that case, it will
forget Vorbis altogether and use the id3 tag instead, right? or will it
merge them with whatever vorbis does have taking precen
On Nov 3, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Phil Meyer wrote:
>> The 4-letter tags are ID3 tags.
>>
> I have custom id3 tags that are not 4-letter tag frame names. eg.
> ARTISTSORT and ALBUMARTIST tags. Would it be better to show these
> as custom id3 tags, such as as TXXX : ?
Right, TXXX tags are shown a
MrSinatra;481108 Wrote:
> i'm not positive, but i would think you could setup a profile for flac,
> and a profile for mp3 each with their own settings. eac supports
> profiles.
That's another option. Thank you !
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JJZolx;481096 Wrote:
> Try this in Mp3tag:
>
> - First, make sure you have a recent backup of your library, just in
> case...
>
> - Second, you must use the latest development version of Mp3tag (2.44e
> or later). Earlier versions don't have the same filtering capability.
> Download and insta
Roger66;481105 Wrote:
> Thank you,
>
> I will check that when ripping next time.
> Does this option have to be altered each time when ripping MP3 after
> being ripping FLAC and vice versa ?
> Or are these settings in different tabs (at the moment I don't have EAC
> here) ?
i'm not positive, bu
Well it's done; all clear now. I had only 23 discs with those FLAC ID3v2
tags. (I don't know how many discs I have exactly. SC reports 887
albums, but because I'm treating sets as one album that doesn't say
much. I have so many classical albums with more disks -- up to 18 for
'Bernstein plays Mahl
JJZolx;481085 Wrote:
> Could be EAC, if you use it. In EAC, under EAC > Compression Options >
> External Compression, if 'Add ID3 tag' is checked when you rip and
> encode to FLAC, it _will_ add both FLAC amd ID3 tags. Make sure it's
> not checked.
Thank you,
I will check that when ripping ne
Jim,
just a friendly fyi, u said "EAC" a lot in your last post when you
meant "mp3tag"
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the sky is not falling, this is a good change that andy keeps refining
to get better. the number one thing SBS should be able to do, is make
your music available to you. it should never scan it and then hide it,
in any way, ever, for any reason, (unless the user deliberately wants it
so, as per
Teus de Jong;481075 Wrote:
> Thanks for the info. Well it is confusing then, to say the least...
>
> The situation here is not as bad as I thought. I just looked and almost
> none of my albums have ID3 tags. I'll have to find out how these came in
> there.
>
> Teus
Try this in EAC:
- First, m
JJZolx;481085 Wrote:
> Could be EAC, if you use it. In EAC, under EAC > Compression Options >
> External Compression, if 'Add ID3 tag' is checked when you rip and
> encode to FLAC, it _will_ add both FLAC amd ID3 tags. Make sure it's
> not checked.
Thank you, that must be it. Normally I rip wi
audiomuze;480993 Wrote:
> if you configure it to show the TagType field you'll be able to identify
> and filter on mixed tags and run a cut and paste operation to remove the
> id3 tags. I was always under the impression mp3tag used a precedence of
> vorbis tags over id3, but would use a id3 tag
Teus de Jong;481075 Wrote:
> I'll have to find out how these came in there.
Could be EAC, if you use it. In EAC, under EAC > Compression Options >
External Compression, if 'Add ID3 tag' is checked when you rip and
encode to FLAC, it _will_ add both FLAC amd ID3 tags. Make sure it's
not checked
JJZolx;481059 Wrote:
> The settings above are only for MP3 (and TTA) files. And they don't
> work quite like you describe. Yes, it is a little confusing. Mp3tag
> only removes tags when you use File > Remove tag (or Ctrl+R, or the big
> red X icon), not each time you save.
Thanks for the info
Teus de Jong;481052 Wrote:
> I found one setting in MP3Tag that maybe causes this. In Options > Tags
> > Mpeg (where is FLAC here?) it states:
>
> Write: ID3v2.3UTF-16
> Remove: ID3v2, ID3v2, APE
>
> This confusing option apparently means that although all ID3v2 tags are
> removed, after that,
Philip Meyer;481041 Wrote:
> >
> ...
> >The tags MP3Tag doesn't show (like TALB) are in contradiction with
> >the FLAC tags (Album)[/color]
> I think this could happen quite a lot. Some editors may store FLAC+id3
> (I think Mp3Tag used to do this by default - I've changed my prefs, not
> sure wh
andyg;480965 Wrote:
>
> ...
> > 3. Don't mess with this, it worked perfectly.
>
> I fixed a bug today that should fix your problem, the FLAC Album tag
> will now win out over the ID3 TALB tag. Nevertheless, you should
> remove your bad ID3 tags as this may confuse other apps in the future.
>The 4-letter tags are ID3 tags.
>
I have custom id3 tags that are not 4-letter tag frame names. eg. ARTISTSORT
and ALBUMARTIST tags. Would it be better to show these as custom id3 tags,
such as as TXXX : ?
>MP3Tag doesn't show ID3 tags in FLAC files.
It would, if the file only had id3 tags.
>Thank you Phil, I didn't find this new info yet (just switched to
>7.5.x). Here's what it says:
>
>Tag version: FLAC, ID3v2.3.0
>
Yes, so you do have FLAC and ID3 tags present. If you have the latest version
of 7.5.0, the scanner will now read all id3 tags that it understands, and then
overwrit
gcurrie;481000 Wrote:
> So is there a recommendation for a solid tag editor? Mp3tag is very
> usable for tagging lots of music, but if it isn't showing things
> correctly then it's usefulness is significantly lessened.
there's absolutely nothing wrong with mp3tag, it's probably the most
powerful
So is there a recommendation for a solid tag editor? Mp3tag is very
usable for tagging lots of music, but if it isn't showing things
correctly then it's usefulness is significantly lessened.
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MrSinatra;480985 Wrote:
> its aware i think that another tag is there, (it'll report it exists),
> and it prob could read that data, but it only shows you the v2 data. i
> think options controls then if edits to the tags are communicated and
> updated into multiple tag types.if you configure it
andyg;480965 Wrote:
>
> > My conclusion:
> > 1. It is related to the things discussed in the other thread.
> > 2. Only read the FLAC tags. (And why does MP3Tag not show the other
> > tags?)
> > 3. The tags MP3Tag doesn't show (like TALB) are in contradiction
> with
> > the FLAC tags (Album)
>
>
i think Andy has it right...
afterall, there may be users out there who only have id3 tags in their
flacs. if so, you don't want to remove support for that. and if flac
tags have the higher priority, it shouldn't be a problem for anyone with
both kinds.
frankly, you all should be glad for this
On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:16 PM, JJZolx wrote:
>
> andyg;480965 Wrote:
>> I fixed a bug today that should fix your problem, the FLAC Album tag
>> will now win out over the ID3 TALB tag. Nevertheless, you should
>> remove
>> your bad ID3 tags as this may confuse other apps in the future.
>
> Is read
andyg;480965 Wrote:
> I fixed a bug today that should fix your problem, the FLAC Album tag
> will now win out over the ID3 TALB tag. Nevertheless, you should remove
> your bad ID3 tags as this may confuse other apps in the future.
Is reading ID3 tags in FLAC files new to SbS, or has it always b
On Nov 2, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Teus de Jong wrote:
>
> Thank you Phil, I didn't find this new info yet (just switched to
> 7.5.x). Here's what it says:
>
> Tag version: FLAC, ID3v2.3.0
>
> Album: Dylan 2007
> AllPictures: ...
> Artist: Bob Dylan
> Comm: [0, eng,, Trackx] === what's this?
An ID3v2 c
Thank you Phil, I didn't find this new info yet (just switched to
7.5.x). Here's what it says:
Tag version: FLAC, ID3v2.3.0
Album: Dylan 2007
AllPictures: ...
Artist: Bob Dylan
Comm: [0, eng,, Trackx] === what's this?
Date: 3007
Discnumber: 1/3
Genre: Rock
Replay gain tags
TALB: Dylan [Disc 1] =
>No, these are all FLAC files. Maybe there is a relation with the
>problems in the other thread, but at the moment I don't see them. The
>only tags in the files are:
If you browse to song info, there should now be an option to View Tags, which
will show what tags Squeezebox Server can see in the f
gharris999;480893 Wrote:
> These are mp3s, yes? Andy has been tweaking the 7.5 scanner code and
> how it processes various verions of id3Vx tags. Is it possible that
> what you are seeing is related? See
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70456
No, these are all FLAC files. Maybe
These are mp3s, yes? Andy has been tweaking the 7.5 scanner code and
how it processes various verions of id3Vx tags. Is it possible that
what you are seeing is related? See
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70456
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I have the Dylan 2007 collection of three cds. Up to and including 7.4.2
these were scanned correctly (sets as one album is on):
Album: Dylan 2007
tracks from cd1
tracks from cd2
tracks from cd3
For some reason, the scanner of 7.5 has three albums:
Dylan [Disc 1]
tracks from cd1
Dylan [Disc 2]
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