[Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-19 Thread Morten Mikkelsen
Hi all, Blender is exporting normal maps with red and green channel inverted relative to the geometry we actually export with our exporters and I would very much like to fix this. This would make blender export normal maps which are very similar to most tools out there and it would make sense to p

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-19 Thread Carsten Wartmann
Am 19.02.2011 16:22, schrieb Morten Mikkelsen: > Hi all, > > Blender is exporting normal maps with red and green channel inverted > relative to the geometry we actually export with our exporters > and I would very much like to fix this. This would make blender export > normal maps which are very si

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-19 Thread Morten Mikkelsen
>This does mean that old scenes render incorrect? Just to clarify. Or >will there be some "compatibility switch"? Mario (lmg) suggests we'll throw in a commandline for how to do batch convert in image magic. The inversion we're talking about corresponds to ctrl+i in photoshop btw. It's essentially

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-19 Thread Dalai Felinto
I wonder if instead of a commandline it would be possible to do this conversion with Python. I'm not sure of the current status of bpy for image handling, but it would be neat to have an addon for that. my 2 cents, Dalai 2011/2/19 Morten Mikkelsen : >>This does mean that old scenes render incorre

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-19 Thread Carsten Wartmann
Am 19.02.2011 23:08, schrieb Dalai Felinto: > I wonder if instead of a commandline it would be possible to do this > conversion with Python. I'm not sure of the current status of bpy for > image handling, but it would be neat to have an addon for that. My idea was having a Button inside the Textur

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-20 Thread Ton Roosendaal
Hi, I think Carsten's proposal is the nicest way, even when a bit "ugly". We can add a version patch in .blend files that sets this button active for all old .blends, but not active for newly created textures. -Ton- Ton R

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-20 Thread Dalai Felinto
Instead of "old Blender Normal maps" couldn't it be "invert color channels [tooltip: old Blender Normal Maps - invert red/green channels"? Or Blender was really the only software out there using those inverted? I remember this being discussed a while ago (1year or +) but don't remember what was th

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-22 Thread Ton Roosendaal
Hi all, The situation is worse apparently; up to Blender 2.49 the normal maps were fine, but the "newbump" patch in 2.51 made red channel become badly inverted. Having it work like in 2.49 is of course correct. Brings up the question if we should provide a hackish button to support bad norm

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-22 Thread Thomas Dinges
I wouldn't do a hackish button either, if it works correct as in 2.49 it's fine and all we need. Am 22.02.2011 19:33, schrieb Ton Roosendaal: > Hi all, > > The situation is worse apparently; up to Blender 2.49 the normal maps > were fine, but the "newbump" patch in 2.51 made red channel become >

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-22 Thread Knapp
Just provide an external tool or add-on to fix the files. Perhaps pop up a warning: this file has a broken bump-map, run XXX to fix it. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Thomas Dinges wrote: > I wouldn't do a hackish button either, if it works correct as in 2.49 > it's fine and all we need. > > A

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-22 Thread Daniel Salazar - 3Developer.com
Make it standard please, nmaps are something that you usually share between softwares. no point in forcing headaches to users Daniel Salazar 2011/2/22 Knapp : > Just provide an external tool or add-on to fix the files. Perhaps pop up a > warning: this file has a broken bump-map, run XXX to fix i

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-22 Thread Morten Mikkelsen
> > >Make it standard please, nmaps are something that you usually share > >between softwares. no point in forcing headaches to users > > >Daniel Salazar > May your first born be a son and may your harvest be plentiful!! :) I could not agree more. That's exactly why this patch needs to go in asap.

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-22 Thread Sean Olson
I also could not agree more. Some standardization here would get rid of plenty of headaches. To be clear, the step that I would like to avoid is under: "GIMPing the image" on this page: http://www.foro3d.com/f217/blender-normal-mapping-76567.html (It's basically just instructing to invert the g

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-22 Thread Martin Poirier
wrote: > From: Sean Olson > Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted > To: "bf-blender developers" > Received: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 4:35 PM > I also could not agree > more.   Some standardization here would get > rid of > plenty of h

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-22 Thread Morten Mikkelsen
orientation. This is not something mindlessly thrown in at the last minute. > > Martin > > --- On Tue, 2/22/11, Sean Olson wrote: > > > From: Sean Olson > > Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted > > To: "bf-blender developers&

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-22 Thread M.G. Kishalmi
ace which replaces the generated > tangent spaces. These support mirroring and > a sign +/-1 to create a bitangent with the correct orientation. This is not > something mindlessly thrown in at the last minute. > > > > > > > > >> >> Martin >> >>

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-22 Thread Daniel Salazar - 3Developer.com
gt;> of blender. >> A new system has already been put in place which replaces the generated >> tangent spaces. These support mirroring and >> a sign +/-1 to create a bitangent with the correct orientation. This is not >> something mindlessly thrown in at the last minute. &

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-22 Thread Sean Olson
I recall having to do that too Daniel. It seems like something that I have to re-look-up every time I'm trying a workflow with outside software and normal maps. -Sean On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Daniel Salazar - 3Developer.com < zan...@gmail.com> wrote: > Do I remember right or you not onl

Re: [Bf-committers] normal maps, red/green channel inverted

2011-02-23 Thread Ton Roosendaal
first place and maybe understand > why it was done? There was probably a reason, even if it wasn't a > good one, understanding why might be useful. > > Martin > > --- On Tue, 2/22/11, Sean Olson wrote: > >> From: Sean Olson >> Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] no