Re: [blackbelly] crossing AB with Dorper?

2006-08-04 Thread Julian Hale
At 10:43 AM 7/31/2006, you wrote: >Negative effect on the meat? Since when? Where did you find this >information? > >Corn has been the biggest feed lot food for decades. > >Not meant to eat grain? Again, where, why. >My sheep have gotten out and head to the farmer field that's next to us. >

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread William Buchanan
Stephanie, No, I don't have any cattle, just sheep and dogs. :0) The bulls refers to Staffordshire Bull Terriers or Staffy bulls for short. Bkbulls= b=Buchanan k=kennels bulls=Staffy Bulls We used to raise and show them, now we just have two. They are great "small" dogs with very sweet disposi

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread Stephanie Parrish
Chris, I noticed your email address has the word "bulls" in it. Which makes me wonder, do you run sheep and cattle on the same pasture? Could there be some parasite resistance conferred by multi-species grazing going on here as well? Stephanie On Aug 4, 2006, at 12:13 PM, William Buchanan wro

Re: [blackbelly] Browsers/Grazers

2006-08-04 Thread Onalee Israel, Onalee's Home Grown Seeds
One side of our property borders some woods; in the winter, to save on hay and make the sheep happier, I will trim some of the branches that hang over our pasture for them every day - THEY LOVE IT and it gets the fence line clear at the same time! Of course, it makes more work for me to go back an

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Cecil, Would you be willing to share the dosages that you use? I currently use Ivomec injectable (but use orally) at a rate of 1 ml per 100#. I started using this product because that was what everyone else in this area was using for goats (although for them, it was 1 ml per 34-50#). Now that I

Re: [blackbelly] Browsers/Grazers

2006-08-04 Thread The Wintermutes
My sheep just love it when I clear fence row! I throw the brush to the side and they gorge on the leaves. It makes hauling the brush off much easier later on! Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Friday, August 04, 2

Re: [blackbelly] Browsers/Grazers

2006-08-04 Thread Cecil Bearden
Mine must be pretty healthy right now, they ahve been annihillating every hackberry sapling around!! After they are in a pasture for about 3 weeks, I can get under the saplings to cut them down. Then in one evening, they clean off all the leaves Cecil in OKla - Original Message -

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread Cecil Bearden
I worm mine regularly. I read Barb's original posting, and I had one ewe with the same symptoms. She did fine, but always had a loose stool. I finally sold her and solved that problem. I must have another one somewhere because I find that type stool around, not cosntantly, just occasionally.

Re: [blackbelly] Browsers/Grazers

2006-08-04 Thread The Wintermutes
Hi Barb, I like your logic! I also agree it sounds like Chris has a good thing going on with his flock! Finding trees that the sheep don't out right kill is probably the challenge. Around here the favorite tree of choice is the Osage Orange/Hedge. They won't touch the hedge apples. They usuall

[blackbelly] Browsers/Grazers

2006-08-04 Thread Barb Lee
Mark, your observation about browsers is astute, but I would apply a slightly different logic. Some of the goat websites I've read are so hysterical about cocci that they demand breeders remove all kids from their mothers immediately they are born, and rear them artificially. It's widely accep

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread William Buchanan
After reading this and other replies I must admit I feel sort of lucky. I live in hot, wet, muggy Alabama where most people with Dorpers and goats must worm every 3 weeks and even then they are fighting a losing battle according to my vet. Compared to you Barb, my methods are pretty reckless(car

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Oh Barb! My heart goes out to you! I don't have any answers myself so I will be watching the replies to your post with interest. I had some isolated problems myself years ago with goats, a little different symptoms though. Every time I thought I knew what was going on, I was proven wrong. I didn

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread Terry
mark-- This one sentence is extrememly sound advice, when one looks at it. If breeding for something that is going to be very polygenetic, like an immunity to soemthing, one must retain what would normally be culled at a very young age.A very resistant ram can influence more offspring in a year, t

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread Terry
Oh, MY! Barb-- many of the older vets will say to let Nature run it's course-- as you so bluntly stated as what you are going to do in your last paragraph.Ni know a farmer-- that is ho9w he handles his vermin catching cats--- no vet sees them-- EVER!!! Just watch the critters close-- so you c

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread The Wintermutes
Hi Sue, Just a quick note. I have purchased 100% Barbados Blackbelly rams from respected breeders that have struggled to survive the parasites located in my environment. Of the American Blackbelly contributors to my flock some were better, equal or worse. Some of my oldest best surviving ewes

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread The Wintermutes
Hi Barb, I don't have any real good answers for the parasite problem. All I can say is you are not alone! I am finding that some sheep are resistant and some are not. It doesn't really follow any pattern. I have had a few cases where a family line was obviously not resistant (lost each and e

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread Susan Smith
If I may, I would like to share an opinion concerning AB vs BB. The breeders who raise BB have a sheep who is of purebred lines, culled for their health and have been for years not only here in the states, but also from where they originated. When we talk about AB and BB really we are talkin