On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Bo Thorsen wrote:
No, dammit! This is what you just don't get. I want two screens and the
possibility to move windows between them. This is also the way other Xinerama
users want to use it. The fact that Xinerama wasn't intended for this doesn't
mean anything what so
--disable-xinerama.
I can't see what all the discussion is about. There are two groups off
people. Ones who want bb xinerama support, and those who don't. For
the first group configure --enable-xinerama, for the second group,
configure --disable-xinerama.
Why does this have to be a 'my way
On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 22:25, Marco Fonseca wrote:
Icon menu jumps to mind. Simply minimize the offending window. If
pulling it up frequently is a problem, tear off the icon menu and leave
it hanging around.
This in particular doesn't work so well for me. I have a tendancy of
having tons
On Wednesday 30 January 2002 15:06, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 22:25, Marco Fonseca wrote:
Icon menu jumps to mind. Simply minimize the offending window. If
pulling it up frequently is a problem, tear off the icon menu and leave
it hanging around.
This in
* Bo Thorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jan 30. 2002 16:44]:
Icon menu jumps to mind. Simply minimize the offending window. If
pulling it up frequently is a problem, tear off the icon menu and leave
it hanging around.
This in particular doesn't work so well for me. I have a tendancy of
Ok, after seeing folks flail about trying to figure out what the hell
Xinerama is supposed to do, here is the simple answer.
Recall one of the major advantages of the Macintosh was the ability to
transparently connect multiple monitors. You could fill every slot with a
video adapter and the OS
On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 17:09, Seth Henry wrote:
Microsoft eventually copied this into Windows, so you can now have
multiple screens on PC's and drag windows back and forth between the
screens. It's not as bright as the Mac version, of course, but the idea is
the same. (for example - you can't
On Wed, Jan30,02 18:10, Ola Ormset wrote:
Well, actually you can. I sometimes run W98 (yep, I got a
license...stupid me), and as you can see on this picture here:
http://zm.ormset.no/oo/galleri/stash/img_0564.jpg/view
..it is fully possible to run my external monitor at 640x480 with 256
On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 18:23, Derek Cunningham wrote:
What kind of laptop is that? It looks like my Dell Inspiron 5000, but I
don't think my dell has dual-head support.
A bit off-topic, but it's a Dell Inspiron 5000e with an ATI Technologies
Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 2) graphics card. So
was that Xinerama support under X should work like
it does on the Mac (and now Windows) Right now, there are several Window
managers that handle this, and it would be nice if blackbox were among
them. I run blackbox because it is light, consumes little disk space or
RAM - and best of all, renders quickly across
On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 04:49:44PM +0100, Bo Thorsen wrote:
It seems to me that the ones crying foul in this discussion are the ones who
are using dualhead instead. The ones using Xinerama wants to tweak it to be
more usable for the desktop. Xinerama with borders between monitors provides
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
Or just use the workspace menu ..
Using the workspace menu is even harder. First find the app in the
hiarchy of menus. When I selected the app it would move me to that
workspace, then I would have to move it back to the origional workspace
I was on, then
-xinerama.
Regardless of what is the correct behavior, it seems that there is a
strong want for 'xinerama support'. If the code is conditionaly
compiled, and would have no impact on those who don't want it, I can't
see a problem with it...?
MarcoF
On Sun, 2002-01-27 at 15:16, Marc Wilson wrote:
And this is the stated, documented, and implemented reason for and behavior
of Xinerama in relation to blackbox.
Absolutely. I've stated this several times.
I'm not against Xinerama. If you like it, use it. I do, from time to
time. But I
Jamin W. Collins wrote:
On Sun, 2002-01-27 at 23:31, Marco Fonseca wrote:
Using the workspace menu is even harder. First find the app in the
hiarchy of menus. When I selected the app it would move me to that
workspace, then I would have to move it back to the origional workspace
I was on,
On Sat, Jan 26, 2002 at 08:27:50AM -0500, Marco Fonseca wrote:
Marc Wilson wrote:
There's that moving windows between monitors again. Why would this be
necessary, or desirable? Start the app on the monitor you want it on in
the first place.
Is that *really* the only thing you find
Additionally (although rare) there are those times I would like to
stretch an app to span both heads. Without xinerama this is not
possible.
And this is the stated, documented, and implemented reason for and behavior
of Xinerama in relation to blackbox.
I'm not against Xinerama. If
, it knows about dead areas and does not place windows in them,
etc. If xinerama support included all of that, you would not be bitching right
now. Because you're used to something working the wrong way, and you're
terrified that it may be fixed. But rest assured, you can disable the stuff.
I'm
Marc Wilson wrote:
On Sat, Jan 26, 2002 at 08:27:50AM -0500, Marco Fonseca wrote:
Marc Wilson wrote:
There's that moving windows between monitors again. Why would this be
necessary, or desirable? Start the app on the monitor you want it on in
the first place.
Is that *really* the only thing
I'm not sure why you're clinging so hard to this. Let me guess. You have 2
monitors that are exactly the same size, and you keep them right next to each
other. The fact that people would have two monitors of the same exact size is
rare. And if you do have different sizes, how to you like it
I also have many virtual work spaces(10), some dedicated, some floating.
For me, this is still no replacement for quickly being able to move one
app quickly out of the way. I wouldn't be able to see the app any more,
and moving it back would require me to go to that workspace and move
You can thank me for that little tidbit. =) Sorry, but I couldn't live
without it.
On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 20:57, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
One of the reasons I have not completely re-written the placeWindow code is
that I have yet to find a solution that supports all of blackbox's current
On 28-Jan-2002 Ryan Harris wrote:
You can thank me for that little tidbit. =) Sorry, but I couldn't live
without it.
Will see if some of my upcoming changes make it any clearer to code a
replacement.
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
I also have many virtual work spaces(10), some dedicated, some floating.
For me, this is still no replacement for quickly being able to move one
app quickly out of the way. I wouldn't be able to see the app any more,
and moving it back would require me to go to
dual head does not allow popup windows to go willy nilly all
over the place, it knows about dead areas and does not place windows in them,
etc.
Neither does XFree's. See previous comment.
If xinerama support included all of that, you would not be bitching right
now. Because you're used
Or just use the workspace menu ..
Using the workspace menu is even harder. First find the app in the
hiarchy of menus. When I selected the app it would move me to that
workspace, then I would have to move it back to the origional workspace
I was on, then actually go to that
Please count me in support of patch for desktop-friendly xinerama support. I tested
Mr. Chu's xinerama patch on my dual-head setup but it does not currently appear to
have any effect on how windows and menus behave (i.e. maximizing a window still causes
it to span both monitors, etc.).
Here
On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 06:05:32PM -0500, Stephen Towler wrote:
Please count me in support of patch for desktop-friendly xinerama support. I tested
Mr. Chu's xinerama patch on my dual-head setup but it does not currently appear to
have any effect on how windows and menus behave (i.e
I believe this is the problem. I never did any tests with any other
set ups other than my own (which is RightOf). This weekend I don't
think I have too much homework to do. If I can find some time I'll play
around with other setups and find out why they break things.
Thanks for all
Jamin W. Collins wrote:
So, because it's done by Sawfish and/or KWin, it should now be done by
Blackbox?
sawfish/kwin do a lot of other things that are
not in blackbox either - for good reason. :-)
how many people *do* use xinerama on this list?
it seems like a pretty hot topic.
i, for
On Fri, Jan25,02 22:25, scott wrote:
Jamin W. Collins wrote:
So, because it's done by Sawfish and/or KWin, it should now be done by
Blackbox?
sawfish/kwin do a lot of other things that are
not in blackbox either - for good reason. :-)
how many people *do* use xinerama on this
On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 20:43, Derek Cunningham wrote:
On Fri, Jan25,02 22:25, scott wrote:
Jamin W. Collins wrote:
So, because it's done by Sawfish and/or KWin, it should now be done by
Blackbox?
sawfish/kwin do a lot of other things that are
not in blackbox either - for good
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 04:39:12PM +0100, Bo Thorsen wrote:
Exactly! And this is what IMHO is the right way to do it. The reason I listed
the Sawfish implementation notes is that these shows real annoyances for
users and one way to implement it is by a boundary down between the two
On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 22:57, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
Brad worked hard to make sure Blackbox was one of the few wms to support
multiple screens. Rest assured I will take the same precautions. If I can at
the same time make Xinerama users' lives a little easier/better along the way,
so be
On 23-Jan-2002 Jamin W. Collins wrote:
On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 22:57, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
Brad worked hard to make sure Blackbox was one of the few wms to support
multiple screens. Rest assured I will take the same precautions. If I can
at
the same time make Xinerama users' lives a
Eventually that's what I was planning though right now I don't know
enough about the internals of Blackbox to make use of the run-time
configuration options.
On Wed, 2002-01-23 at 13:21, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 22:57, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
Brad worked hard to make
Jason Chu wrote:
On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 19:36, Marco Fonseca wrote:
Jason Chu wrote:
I can hear the masses screaming, *ra*, *rah*
Anyway.
I have some code to add Xinerama support to Blackbox... (still waiting
for the cheering to die down). For those of you who don't know what
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:40:13PM -0500, Marco Fonseca wrote:
bbkeys doesn't seem to friendly in multiple head environment without
xinerama, but maybe I'm not configuring it right. You have any problems
with this? Only haveing bbkeys working on one head is a big pain in the ...
You have
On Tuesday 22 January 2002 06:44, Marius Nita wrote:
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 10:15:27PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
I too use Xinerama in Blackbox, and have some difficulty understanding
the frequently voiced viewpoint that Blackbox's Xinerama support is
broken in some way
On Tuesday 22 January 2002 14:21, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 23:44, Marius Nita wrote:
both of these issues are discussed in the xinerama howto at
linuxdoc.org.
It should be noted that this howto, which can be found here:
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO.html
. It's the right thing to do, the question is
only how to do it. If the patch has technical issues, these can be solved.
Certainly the patch should be reviewed, but whether or not it's included
should be based not on supposed Xinerama support for Blackbox, but
rather whether artificial boundaries
of Xinerama is fine.
That depends on the definition of Xinerama support. You say it's fine, others
that some things are missing.
From the HOWTO:
(snip)
This is all correct. It doesn't matter what Xinerama authors or Bill
Gates or your grandmother might think about Xinerama usage.
No need
I can hear the masses screaming, *ra*, *rah*
Anyway.
I have some code to add Xinerama support to Blackbox... (still waiting
for the cheering to die down). For those of you who don't know what
Xinerama is it allows multiple monitors to be used as a single monitor.
The problem is things
On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 21:13, Jason Chu wrote:
I have some code to add Xinerama support to Blackbox... (still waiting
for the cheering to die down). For those of you who don't know what
Xinerama is it allows multiple monitors to be used as a single monitor.
The problem is things like
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 10:15:27PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
I too use Xinerama in Blackbox, and have some difficulty understanding
the frequently voiced viewpoint that Blackbox's Xinerama support is
broken in some way. There is nothing broken concerning Blackbox's
current Xinerama
It's not Xinerama support per-se, it's more like Xinerama awareness.
I can understand your concerns with adding artifical boundaries in
Blackbox but there is a problem when Blackbox decides to pop up a window
in a part of my screen that doesn't exist (it can do that if the
situation is right: I
On 21 Jan 2002 21:44:52 -0800
Jason Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not Xinerama support per-se, it's more like Xinerama awareness.
I can understand your concerns with adding artifical boundaries in
Blackbox but there is a problem when Blackbox decides to pop up a
window in a part of my
for your answer.
I bet I will have to wait for a while before moving to BB.
BTW, you developers, please take note of my vote for ASAP development of
Xinerama support. I can guarantee you at least one new user. :)
Rodrigo
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Dear List,
I have been reading the info on this link about windows managers support
for Xinerama and would like to know how is BlackBox dealing with this
subject:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html#s8.
I really would like to use BlackBox
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2001.01.10 15:35]:
: I have been reading the info on this link about windows managers support
: for Xinerama and would like to know how is BlackBox dealing with this
: subject:
:
:http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html#s8.
:
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