Oh wow thanks for the link to the SBL source! I wasn't aware it still
existed anywhere other than old OpenSUSE and Knoppix. Hopefully I can
get this working on Arch and possibly Fedora as well. If it works, there
should be no objections on technical grounds for getting it packaged for
many
I clearly recall stating that the serial console is *not* kernel
dependent. I clearly stated that I can get *boot loader* messages using
my computer's serial console, which are printed to the output device
long before the kernel starts. If my kernel fails to start for any
reason, I know it,
But, again, Kyle, the serial console is also kernel dependent. You're
simply depending on a different set of developers. You could switch to a
user space screen reader once the host is done booting just as you
switch to a getty once the boot is done.
-- John Heim
On 04/26/2017 04:52 PM, Linux
Eric Oyen here…
looks like some good points all around on this posting. For the most part, a
kernel level speech interface can be a good thing, except when it isn't. What I
wouldn't mind seeing is the addition of a speak up type module for EFI. The
reason for this as that I might need to be
Tony,
If you found bash scripts, rather than sbl, you probably found the
Adrienne[spelling] menu system. SBL is the screen reader that should be
running as a daemon before the menu system starts, although I can't say
I'm well versed on the subject, as I found the Adrienne menu system to
be
Tony and all,
I myself am completely opposed to a screen reader being locked into a
kernel, and have been for many years, for very good, technical,
non-political reasons. Text mode is exactly this: text mode. The layout
of the entire screen is available as plain text and some other character
Glad I'm not the only one on this list who refuses to let social
"norms" cut off a significant portion of an important sense that most
sighted people so under utilize that they might as well be numb.
And the thing is, my dad is the only person who has criticized my
choice in footwear, so I can
> I've also turned that bridge line on my dad when he complains about me
> going barefoot in public and mentions that no one else is barefoot.
Your dad and mine sound a lot alike. I've gotten similar for the same
reason, as well as rocking, clicking, pacing in circles because it
helps me think,
> I am a member of the NFB of Dane County (Wisconsin) and it's great.
I wish I'd had a similar experience. I didn't start off with negative
feelings towards the organization and you were actually one of the
interesting individual members I had in mind.
Amanda
On 4/26/17, Linux for blind general
I think you should consider using either ubuntu sts or debian testing. A
couple of years ago, I switched my entire userbase, like 200 end-users,
over to ubuntu sts. That's updated every 6 months.
I use it on my desktop and have never had any significant problems. We
have about 80 machines in
#+OPTIONS: latex:t toc:nil H:3
So, if Debian is all we have, pretty much, who cares about
accessibility, what is there for those who want a clean, but
up-to-date system other than Arch? As a user, of Emacs with
Emacspeak and Voxin mostly, I find Arch stable enough to
Hi, John. I love that last bit!
And yeah, I agree, if I understand you right, that we should try to be
our best, individually and collectively.
AlOn 04/26/2017 09:08 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
It's not really your fault, Al. It's mine. I'll admit that this thing
about
I've also turned that bridge line on my dad when he complains about me
going barefoot in public and mentions that no one else is barefoot.
But yeah, polarization is everywhere these days, too many people take
even minor disagreements as blasphemy, and moderates and voice of
reason types more
I would have to say I don’t like ither group.
Seth Hurst
From: Linux for blind general discussion
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 09:39
To: blinux-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: OT: ACB & NFB
I am a member of the NFB of Dane County (Wisconsin) and it's great. I
have met the most unbelievable
I am a member of the NFB of Dane County (Wisconsin) and it's great. I
have met the most unbelievable people in that group. You know the
saying, "Get knocked down 9 times, get up ten"? Try get knocked down a
thousand times and get up a thousand and one. I used to think I had no
reason to hang
Maybe you could do it with a USB headset. The IAVIT wordpress site,
blogs.iavit.org, has been down for a while. I just got it working again
last night. Lets see if we can get this working and post it there.
I have howtos on my space on www.iavit.org on how to build a kernel
patched for
It's not really your fault, Al. It's mine. I'll admit that this thing
about each and every person thinking they have all the answers is
ubiquitous in the human race. Like I always say, I can't stand people
who think they know everything, that is really annoying to those of us
who actually do
Addendum to my previous post:
Regarding boot messages, even back when I could see, assuming
whichever distro I was using didn't cover them with a splash screen, I
can't say they were ever all that useful when things went wrong to the
point of things not booting. In most cases, I usually used such
Tony Baechler here. I don't know who you are, but I thank you! I couldn't
agree more! I went to the LCB. That was the worst month of my life! They
tried to take my SSI (I guess I shouldn't be allowed to manage my own
money), wouldn't help me learn even basic tasks and told me to sink or swim.
Tony Baechler here.
I totally agree about the blind community. You forgot the third group. We
have the ACB, NFB and those who don't care and won't join either. I'm seeing
more of those. However, no, F12 isn't the standard. Window-Eyes uses
Insert+T. Should Insert+T read the title as with NVDA
Tony Baechler here.
Thanks for the Fenrir link. I'll go get it. I've looked at the SBL source,
or what I could find of it. No, it doesn't need a kernel module. The problem
is it's tied into Knoppix, so I think would be difficult to package. It's
mostly bash scripts which I guess are a talking
Tony Baechler here.
Kyle, first, from a different post, I have no feelings about Arch. I don't
know if they care about accessibility or not. I would think if they do, they
would make Talking Arch official, but there are probably technical issues.
Why they can't do like Slackware, Debian and
Tony Baechler here.
You make my point, exactly! All of the BSDs, Windows, and who knows what
else ship Gnome. Orca is part of Gnome. Therefore, they all ship Orca if
they ship a complete Gnome environment. That doesn't mean they care about
accessibility. That means they ship Orca because it's
23 matches
Mail list logo
