On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 23:52 -0500, Greg London wrote:
> Did you ever get a cool idea for a problem
> and just dive into it, explore it, learn
> about it, try out different things, and play?
Yes. When I do that, I don't post to a public list saying, "what if I
just take this line of code, and
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 16:15 -0500, Greg London wrote:
> Ben Tilly said:
> > I think responses are more along the lines of, "certification
> > introduces a lot of problems, and we don't see how you'll
> > make a certification become accepted."
>
> I don't know how it can be done, so it must not be
Ben Tilly said:
> Greg, I really feel that if anyone is overreacting here, it is
> you. I'll try once more, after which I'll stop responding to
> you because you don't appear to be listening.
> Your message has been along the line of, "We just have to
> try this and great things will happen."
Another Perl accolade...
Random House, which I believe is the world's largest
publisher/distributor of books, uses perl for their website.
Jim
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> "BR" == Bob Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
BR> As machines get faster and ease of cross-platform installation gets more
BR> important, I expect the need for C-level hackery will go down. I
BR> suspect this is overused even at present. Several years ago, I wound up
BR>
From: Tom Metro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:45:21 -0500
Sean Quinlan wrote:
> ...Parrot will be able to save and reuse it's bytecode,
> which might give you something close to a platform specific executable...
Wasn't the objective a non-platform specific way
> Surprisingly Active State maintains a Perl distribution for (RedHat)
> Linux (or at least they did), and I believe a repository of PPMs as
well.
And also Solaris and IBM AIX. I think the Linux Perl build and PPMs are
likely to run on any reasonably normal Intel Linux, but not sure -- with
the
On Thursday, March 3, 2005, at 03:16 PM, Sean Quinlan wrote:
I accept that writing cool code
is THE BEST WAY to help the Popularity of Perl. I (and others) keep
saying that.
I advert Perl right on KanjiCafe.com's home page in a parody of an old
Rolling Stones album cover cum Italian coffee shop
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 15:46 -0500, Duane Bronson wrote:
> CPAN bundles:
> Aren't CPAN bundles always source distributions? PPM is actually
> better than CPAN because it's a pre-built distribution, except that it
> only works with Windows (I think) and if a build fails, the last working
>
Ben Tilly said:
> I think responses are more along the lines of, "certification
> introduces a lot of problems, and we don't see how you'll
> make a certification become accepted."
I don't know how it can be done, so it must not be possible.
> I think responses are more along the lines of, "we
CPAN bundles:
Aren't CPAN bundles always source distributions? PPM is actually
better than CPAN because it's a pre-built distribution, except that it
only works with Windows (I think) and if a build fails, the last working
build is blown away and the module is unavailable.
RPM alternative:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:46:19 -0500 (EST), Greg London
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Chris Devers said:
> > I think it would be nice if Perl were more popular. I don't think
> > advocacy is a bad thing. I don't think certification, or courses, are
> > unreasonable. But of the ways I can think of
Adam Turoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If Perl per se matters to you that much, then you should find some way
to make it your day job.
Hmmm...isn't that sort of what were talking about? If there's no job
market for Perl, that's kinda hard to do. Even if you run a business
where Perl is embedded,
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 14:46 -0500, John Macdonald wrote:
> There have been people talking about certification for well
> over a decade now, talking more about it is very stale.
And here's my problem. Please look at the subject. Why are you dragging
certification back into this? I thought we
Chris Devers said:
> I think it would be nice if Perl were more popular. I don't think
> advocacy is a bad thing. I don't think certification, or courses, are
> unreasonable. But of the ways I can think of to make Perl more popular,
> I'm not sure that any of these will be more effective than
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Greg London wrote:
> Chris Devers said:
> > Advocacy *doesn't* work well.
>
> > But beyond keeping sites like that prominent, there's not really a lot
> > that can be done, pragmatically speaking, that seems likely to help.
>
> This is the same "I can't see how it will work,
>I've *never* been hired to do perl coding. I've been hired to write
>software to solve problems.
I think that he didn't mean that literally, but more of a general statement of
solving problems specifically using
perl. :-/
>"Sneaking in" perl code is unprofessional. All code you write
> > > s/Perl/(Bike Riding|Gardening|Cooking|Painting|Teaching|Filmmaking)/;
>
> Oddly enough, the the syntactically correct code does not quite have the same
> meaning or elegance. ...
\begin{nitpick}
The s/// is already syntactically correct. :-)
\end{nitpick}
> ... Note that I modified the
Chris Devers said:
> Advocacy *doesn't* work well.
> But beyond keeping sites like that prominent, there's not really a lot
> that can be done, pragmatically speaking, that seems likely to help.
This is the same "I can't see how it will work,
so it must not be possible" line of reasoning.
Just
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, Greg London wrote:
> Adam Turoff said:
> > On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 10:33:20AM -0500, Sean Quinlan wrote:
> >> > If Perl per se matters to you that much, then you should find some
> >> > way to make it your day job. Find a new employer, start your own
> >> > business, whatever
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 10:45:28AM -0500, Kripa Sundar wrote:
> An unnamed White House source today stated that regexes are
> beginning to infiltrate the RHS of substitutions, and thus
> threaten our national security.
>
> This was corroborated by the following sighting:
>
> > s/Perl/(Bike
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 10:59 -0500, Adam Turoff wrote:
> Discuss advocacy and popularity at the expense of building cool tools
> with Perl.
Huh?!? Sorry Adam, but WTF? Who ever said that building cools tools
isn't important. I would certainly agree that it is, and indeed more
important. I'm saying
Adam Turoff said:
> On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 10:33:20AM -0500, Sean Quinlan wrote:
>> > If Perl per se matters to you that much, then you should find some
>> > way to make it your day job. Find a new employer, start your own
>> > business, whatever it takes.
>>
>> What the heck do you think we're
Adam Turoff said:
> If Perl per se matters to you that much, then you should find some way
> to make it your day job. Find a new employer, start your own business,
> whatever it takes.
>
> s/Perl/(Bike Riding|Gardening|Cooking|Painting|Teaching|Filmmaking)/; as
> appropriate. There is nothing
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 10:33:20AM -0500, Sean Quinlan wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 09:56 -0500, Adam Turoff wrote:
> > If Perl per se matters to you that much, then you should find some way
> > to make it your day job. Find a new employer, start your own business,
> > whatever it takes.
> >
>
Tom, thanks for voicing many of the same concerns I've had recently,
especially as I watched this debate evolve. I too have been making a living
for several years working in Perl, and would much prefer to continue doing
so into the future. I've worked in many languages in over 30 years of
Hi all,
An unnamed White House source today stated that regexes are
beginning to infiltrate the RHS of substitutions, and thus
threaten our national security.
This was corroborated by the following sighting:
> s/Perl/(Bike Riding|Gardening|Cooking|Painting|Teaching|Filmmaking)/;
:-) :-) for
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 09:56 -0500, Adam Turoff wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 03:39:04AM -0500, Tom Metro wrote:
> > For me, popularity matters for two reasons:
> >
> > 1. If you like Perl enough that you'd like it to be all or a big part of
> > your day job.
>
> If Perl per se matters to you
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 03:39:04AM -0500, Tom Metro wrote:
> For me, popularity matters for two reasons:
>
> 1. If you like Perl enough that you'd like it to be all or a big part of
> your day job.
If Perl per se matters to you that much, then you should find some way
to make it your day job.
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 03:39:04AM -0500, Tom Metro wrote:
> For me, popularity matters for two reasons:
>
> 1. If you like Perl enough that you'd like it to be all or a big part of
> your day job.
>
> Which leads me to something I've been wondering about lately: How many
> Boston.pm members
John Redford wrote:
Can someone remind me why Perl needs to be more popular?
My friend and former colleague John Tsangaris addressed this fairly
well, but I'd like to expand on his points a bit.
For me, popularity matters for two reasons:
1. If you like Perl enough that you'd like it to be all
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