Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
OK, so I'm mamaEffword. You? On May 7, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Charlie Bell wrote: Given that I'm getting married to someone I actually met on this very list... ;o) -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror

Re: Brin: BASIC

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 7, 2006, at 11:02 PM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 08/05/2006, at 3:01 AM, The Fool wrote: <> "Only now it's insufficient. We'd like to make pixels move around on a simulated CRT screen. And we DON'T want to do it using high

Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 08/05/2006, at 7:49 AM, Dave Land wrote: On May 7, 2006, at 8:06 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: ("Friends" being parlance meaning "OK to play with" -- real human friendships are based in a lot more than game theory. Right?) Based on some of the threads around here lately, I think there ar

Re: Brin: BASIC

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 08/05/2006, at 3:01 AM, The Fool wrote: <> "Only now it's insufficient. We'd like to make pixels move around on a simulated CRT screen. And we DON'T want to do it using high-level complex stuff like VISUAL BASIC. Old fashion

Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
Or, at least, spermicidal condoms. ;) On May 7, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Dave Land wrote: Not without scientific proof that they are, in fact, my friends. On May 7, 2006, at 10:28 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Yeah, well, fuck 'em. On May 7, 2006, at 9:49 PM, Dave Land wrote: Based on some of the t

Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Dave Land
Not without scientific proof that they are, in fact, my friends. On May 7, 2006, at 10:28 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Yeah, well, fuck 'em. On May 7, 2006, at 9:49 PM, Dave Land wrote: Based on some of the threads around here lately, I think there are some who would not accept the existence

Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
Yeah, well, fuck 'em. On May 7, 2006, at 9:49 PM, Dave Land wrote: Based on some of the threads around here lately, I think there are some who would not accept the existence of friendship without a double-blind test. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books

Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Dave Land
On May 7, 2006, at 8:06 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: ("Friends" being parlance meaning "OK to play with" -- real human friendships are based in a lot more than game theory. Right?) Based on some of the threads around here lately, I think there are some who would not accept the existence of

Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 7, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: Actually in BA I chose a Spitfire based on the recommendations of a Cockney eight-year-old or so who was wrong, ultimately, but quite authoritative. I switched eventually to a Corsair and spent most of the game time in "blackout" as I over-gee

Re: Brin: BASIC

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
Also, in re Paul Simon. I think _Graceland_ is probably his best work ever. Lasers in the jungle, yes … but his human touch was and is astonishing. "The Mississippi Delta was shining like a National guitar … I am following the highway to the cradle of the Civil War" is a fantastic entrant ver

Re: Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Damon Agretto
Actually in BA I chose a Spitfire based on the recommendations of a Cockney eight-year-old or so who was wrong, ultimately, but quite authoritative. I switched eventually to a Corsair and spent most of the game time in "blackout" as I over-gee'd the stick. Sigh. Spitfire too little, Corsair t

Xbox 360

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
OK, I've had to grudgingly admit there's one MS product that doesn't suck. Since February I've been dabbling in the Dark Side in the form of (1) an original Xbox bought at the request of my surrogate son; and (2) a 360 upgraded to when I had the chance. Damn me, I actually like it. I have to

Re: Brin: BASIC

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
I'll ignore the ad hominem, but point out that OOP frameworks rock tha' hizzouse. That's why I wrote a 500+ page book on the topic for Osborne/McGraw-Hill, after all. On May 7, 2006, at 5:54 PM, The Fool wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As to the BASIC question: I'll shoot

Re: Brin: BASIC

2006-05-07 Thread The Fool
> From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > As to the BASIC question: I'll shoot you a counter-question: Why? > Dr. Brin isn't interested in that high level stuff. Too complicated. Not simple enough. Don't bring it up again or he'll start getting, really, really, really whiny (again)

Re: Brin: BASIC

2006-05-07 Thread Warren Ockrassa
Easy stuff first. I'm an OSX wonk and have been a while -- I participated in the public beta, back before the century turned, when my PowerBook, on its first load of the nascent OS, ran through a series of UNIX (actually Darwin, which is Apple's version of FreeBSD, which is technically not UNIX

Brin: BASIC

2006-05-07 Thread The Fool
<> "Only now it's insufficient. We'd like to make pixels move around on a simulated CRT screen. And we DON'T want to do it using high-level complex stuff like VISUAL BASIC. Old fashioned line coding, iterating to move pixels accord

Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 08/05/2006, at 12:28 AM, Dan Minette wrote: Well, then it's clearly possible to be an agnostic Christian by that definition. A significant fraction of Christians would be agnostics, by your definition...including me. Even our pastor, who is fairly Evangelical, agrees that there is no p

RE: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Dan Minette
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Charlie Bell > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 3:57 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs > > > On 07/05/2006, at 11:53 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > > > I think "militant atheism"

Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/05/2006, at 11:53 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: I think "militant atheism" is a better description of the philosophy apparently espoused by The Fool. Certainly is. There is no text from which to be "fundamentalist" for atheism, as far as I know. "Militant" is a reasonably accurate

Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Charlie Bell wrote: On 07/05/2006, at 3:37 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Fool, I'm just curious. Most of the articles you post are ones claiming that there are problems with this, that, and the other. Can you give us some examples of something concrete

Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/05/2006, at 10:49 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: Alberto wrote: It might be a belief, it might even be strident and loudly held, but it's a slightly different class of belief. No, it's not, and this belief may have killed more people than all religions put together - you missed this s

Re: Myers-Briggs (was: Blog entry with interesting comment)

2006-05-07 Thread Robert J. Chassell
> Ten or fifteen years ago, I gave Kiersey style Myers-Briggs > tests to dozen people I knew. And anecdotal evidince has what value in science? Well, you need not pay any attention to my report. My experience was that when I gave a test to a dozen people, I found that a bit m

Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/05/2006, at 10:40 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: *wry smile* How can one be fundamentalist to a lack of belief? By rejecting any possibility that God [or gods, or The Devil, etc] exists. So? Non-belief in the supernatural can't be "fundamentalist",

Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Doug Pensinger
Alberto wrote: It might be a belief, it might even be strident and loudly held, but it's a slightly different class of belief. No, it's not, and this belief may have killed more people than all religions put together - you missed this same discussion we had here about 6 months ago. Wern't

Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Charlie Bell wrote: > >>> *wry smile* How can one be fundamentalist to a lack of belief? >> >> By rejecting any possibility that God [or gods, or The Devil, etc] >> exists. > > So? Non-belief in the supernatural can't be "fundamentalist", there's > no scripture or dogma. > Yes, there are. "Das Kapi

Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/05/2006, at 10:05 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Charlie Bell escreveu: I'm no Fool, but he admires Windows 2000 and NTFS. I also think he admires one religion, "fundamentalist atheism". *wry smile* How can one be fundamentalist to a lack of belief? By rejecting any pos

Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Charlie Bell escreveu: > >> I'm no Fool, but he admires Windows 2000 and NTFS. I also think >> he admires one religion, "fundamentalist atheism". > > *wry smile* How can one be fundamentalist to a lack of belief? > By rejecting any possibility that God [or gods, or The Devil, etc] exists. Alberto

Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/05/2006, at 3:37 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Fool, I'm just curious. Most of the articles you post are ones claiming that there are problems with this, that, and the other. Can you give us some examples of something concrete (not abstractions li

Re: Myers-Briggs

2006-05-07 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > > Fool, I'm just curious. Most of the articles you post are ones > claiming that there are problems with this, that, and the other. Can > you give us some examples of something concrete (not abstractions > like "the truth" or "rational thinking and behavior") that you ar

Re: Myers-Briggs (was: Blog entry with interesting comment)

2006-05-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:10 PM Saturday 5/6/2006, The Fool wrote: [snipped] Fool, I'm just curious. Most of the articles you post are ones claiming that there are problems with this, that, and the other. Can you give us some examples of something concrete (not abstractions like "the truth" or "rational thinki