Re: Author question observations

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> I don't have all that much interest in fanfic, but what *did* interest > me was seeing P. N. Elrod on that list.  I didn't know that.  (And I > usually see her once a year, and she recognizes me, and we have nice > little conversations, but more about costume stuff than anything else.) > I'm re

Scouted: Okay to execute innocent?

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/12/national/12DEAT.html(note: free registration required) Signs Grow of Innocent People Being Executed, Judge Says By ADAM LIPTAK A federal judge in Boston said yesterday that there was mounting evidence innocent people were being executed. But he decline

Re: The evil ham and cheese sandwich

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> > I don't :) > > How about, Everyone who quotes the Bible to support what they've already > decided to believe does so selectively.  I think that's more accurate, > as it covers the case of NOT quoting the Bible at all, while covering > the content of Tom's statement.  :) > Ah, the Fallacy of

Re: good olde fashioned bible burning

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> Church leaders say any Bible besides the King James version that they > use, are distractions. > Which is, you know, a mistranslation from the Hebrew (which is itself a translation from the Greek). Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first ma

Re: Author question

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> Awhile back I picked up a book out of the Exchange bargain bin by Sarah > Zettel, "The Quiet Invasion."  It is still in pile of to read books.  Has > any one read anything by her.  Worth the effort? > I read her "Fool's War" which was okay. I met her years ago at MediaWest before she was firs

Re: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
It has nothing to do with whether or not Lincoln would "listen" to the rabbi. The whole point of the Golem legend is the animation of something that is not alive and never was alive. Even assuming a rabbi used a statue of Lincoln, it would be a STATUE and not Lincoln himself. A statue can't thin

Re: The evil ham and cheese sandwich

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> I'm not going to use the word all here, because there probably is some > fundamentalist in this world who takes all of the bible to heart including > wearing non-blended fabric (amish?). But just because a person has some > guiding principle, it doesn't mean they have to be bound to every single

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> So the only people you want carrying guns is criminals? You want everyone > else, every law abiding citizen to be at the mercy of gun toting criminals? > I think I'm being baited here, because I don't see any other way what I'm saying could be so completely misunderstood. But just in case this

Re: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> I know the legend. > > My question was, what if the figure is in the likeness of a Gentile?  Are > there goyim golems? > > Well, the Golem is not actually "in the likeness" of _anyone_. It's just a clay figure. The rabbi formed it for the purpose, he didn't take an existing statue or someth

Re: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> > Wonder if it comes with drug paraphernalia, booze bottles and MPs in > > hot pursuit. > > No, that's the _Teddy Kennedy_ action figure.  For a little more money > you can buy the car accessory containing a lifelike babe.  Realistically > steers off bridges unexpectedly. > > (OK, it's a low bl

Re: vv audits non profits that don't tow the ideological line

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> I didn't know you could tow an imaginary line. > The phrase is, actually, "toe the line" as in, put your toes on the line and not past it. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last." - Dr Jer

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> - If guns were made completely illegal (which I gather is your preference > from the "I don't want ANYONE to carry guns" statement), do you think that > would keep them out of the hands of criminals? > Actually, I do not want to completely criminalize guns. I think people who hunt or target pr

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of  pricediscrimination

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> No matter what laws get passed, no matter who can leagaly cary a gun and > who > can't Criminals will allways own and carry guns. > Right, and other criminals will always commit crimes, so why have any laws at all? > A much more interesting statistic would be the perentage of > non-law-enforc

Re: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> Personally, I'm holding on to my money until they release the "Heroes of > Desert Storm" Action Figures collection. > I'm waiting for the "Pfc Jessica Lynch" figure complete with Pentagon Overstatement Accessories. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd

Re: leave the constitution alone

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> So does Ms. Tucker think we should restore the original wording of the > Constitution by removing the "right to privacy" interpretation of the 14th > amendment on which the SCOTUS based its decision in _Roe v. Wade_?  Or, > given that she is black, how about repealing the entire 14th amendment? >

Re: Scouted: Okay to execute innocent?

2003-08-14 Thread TomFODW
> While I tend to agree with you, Tom, due to lack of convincing evidence > of death-penalty deterrent power, I have heard people make a reasonable > argument. It it along the lines I just suggested -- the death penalty > acts as a deterrent to homicide and thus saves the lives of a certain > numbe

Re: The evil ham and cheese sandwich

2003-08-12 Thread TomFODW
> I only mention this sordid little incident because of the trend among > religious zealots in the country to push for constitutional prohibitions > on sodomy and gay marriage on the grounds that these actions are morally > and religiously repulsive, and that legislators should enshrine these > rel

Re: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip

2003-08-10 Thread TomFODW
> True.  However, this current subthread started with the following: > > >         I swear I've seen a big stone one of Lincoln, sitting > >down.  You mean that it WON'T come to the defense of Liberty > >when a rabbi writes the word on its forehead? > So? He got confused, since, in the legend, t

Re: leave the constitution alone

2003-08-10 Thread TomFODW
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Re: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip

2003-08-10 Thread TomFODW
> >         I swear I've seen a big stone one of Lincoln, sitting > >down.  You mean that it WON'T come to the defense of Liberty > >when a rabbi writes the word on its forehead? > > I dunno.  Was Lincoln Jewish?  If not, why would a statue of him pay any > attention to what a rabbi does? > Ther

Re: shrubCo's faith-based prison program an absolute failure

2003-08-09 Thread TomFODW
> Strange mixing of words there... he is taking the same type of position as > the administration.  Your words confuse the position with the degree of > responsibility and the statement's impact.  Did you mean to discourage > comparisons of list postings' positions with those held by people in powe

Re: Irregulars question: Milky Way

2003-08-07 Thread TomFODW
> And the "Milky" part of it comes from a myth that it's the milk spilling > out of a goddess's breast into the sky. > Really? And I thought it was named after a candy bar... Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dr

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-07 Thread TomFODW
> IOW, you (pl.) say you don't "prefer it if ONLY criminals carry weapons", > you (pl.) just want to change the law so everyone who carries a weapon is > by definition a criminal . . . > I didn't say that, and I didn't say anything about criminalizing guns. It is my belief that there are relativ

Re: Hyperion - The Motion Picture

2003-08-05 Thread TomFODW
> Maybe I Should Read The Book Maru > No maybe. I'd put Hyperion/Fall of Hyperion up there with The Anubis Gates, His Dark Materials, and just a very few others as among the ten best books I've ever read. I consider Hyperion/Fall of Hyperion to be essentially one book that got published in tw

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-04 Thread TomFODW
> Display and interpret any symbol the way > you wish to. If others get offended, it is their problem, not yours. > As long as *all* they do is feel offended. There have been reports, for example, of Jews in some European countries being attacked for wearing kippot, stars of David, and other Je

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread TomFODW
> One of the reasons that people > like Rush Limbaugh are so successful at speaking to > the American public is that - unlike their opponents - > they _like_ the public.  I have lots of problems with > Rush.  But he loves America, and he loves Americans. > The American people rather like that and t

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-03 Thread TomFODW
> The other edits the most important magazine of th Left.  > I can't even reply to the other points, most of which seem to be personal attacks. However, The Nation is not "the most important magazine of the left." It has a tiny circulation. I can't even remember the last time I snuck a peak at

Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination

2003-08-02 Thread TomFODW
> >     So her rhetoric is over-the-top, but her basic > > position > > doesn't seem too far out. > > The prosecution rests. > Huh? What does that mean? How does what he said prove the case? It seems to me the opposite. She has been put forward as an example of an extremist whom liberals shoul

Re: Clinton's Perjury *Again* RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-08-02 Thread TomFODW
> What democrats said that it was acceptable for Clinton to lie under > oath? > I don't know what other Democrats may have said. I never said it was acceptable for him to lie under oath. I just didn't think it was an impeachable offense. I also think he should never have been forced to face t

Re: NYT: "Weapons of Mass Confusion"

2003-08-02 Thread TomFODW
>Come on Tom, think! If you know he has no WMD handy, isn't that the ideal >time to clobber him? It's a no-brainer. Well, I myself would be reluctant to accuse Dubya & Co. of not having brains... It's okay to clobber him - except that your rationale for doing so is that you have incontrovertibl

NYT: "Weapons of Mass Confusion"

2003-08-01 Thread TomFODW
>From the NY Times >(http://nytimes.com/2003/08/01/international/worldspecial3/01CND-GORDON.html?hp - >free registration required): "Weapons of Mass Confusion" By MICHAEL R. GORDON "CAMP DOHA, Kuwait, Aug. 1 — There is a bold and entirely plausible theory that may account for the mystery ov

Re: Counterproductive Pursuits

2003-08-01 Thread TomFODW
Basically, the logical outcome of this type of argument is that minorities that are discriminated against will have to wait on the goodwill of bigots to gain their rights. People's lives can be ruined generation after generation, while we wait for the bigots to maybe stop being so hate-filled.

Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination

2003-08-01 Thread TomFODW
> Let's see Tom condemn Katha > Pollit once in a while. > I'm not sure who she is, sorry. > > When Noam Chomsky says things equally bad - or worse - > our liberal friends like Tom tell us that even > criticizing them is censorship. > I haven't said anything about him here, and I don't have to p

Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination

2003-07-31 Thread TomFODW
> Except, when a right winger makes an innocuous statement and the left wing > media huffs and puffs until they blow the  issue up into whatever slight > they feel gets them the best press. > So liberals aren't perfect. Never said they are. Although I bet some of the statements you characterize

Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination

2003-07-31 Thread TomFODW
> Seriously, the ones that get the most attention seem to be more extreme > one way or another.  That's probably true for any group that gets > stereotyped.  Except maybe Poles.  I've never met a Pole anywhere close > to being as stupid as all the jokes imply.  (Where'd they get that > reputation,

Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination

2003-07-31 Thread TomFODW
> but would start with > educating people (beginning in elementary school) with > the hazards associated with certain lifestyle choices > - and gradually making people responsible for their > own folly -- we could ~ halve the chronic disease > burden with lifestyle changes > But that would go aga

Lance!

2003-07-30 Thread TomFODW
Considering the level of interest shown in the Tour de France when it started, I'm surprised to see little or no mention of the fact, now that it's over, that Lance Armstrong won his fifth in a row. This one was more stirring than the previous 4, as his triumph was in doubt until the next-to-las

Re: The seven habits of highly ineffective societies

2003-07-30 Thread TomFODW
> Restrictions on the free flow of information. > The subjugation of women. > Inability to accept responsibility for individual or collective failure. > The extended family or clan as the basic unit of social organization. > Domination by a restrictive religion. > A low valuation of education. > Lo

Re: Harry Potter 5 (not really spoiler free anymore)

2003-07-30 Thread TomFODW
> That's a good point I hadn't thought about.  Ambition is not, in and of > itself, an evil trait, and it is the one Slytherin most valued.  If you can > point those ambitious kids along the right path, you've got a better chance of > keeping them from the Dark Arts than you would if you sent th

Re: Harry Potter 5 (no spoilers)

2003-07-29 Thread TomFODW
> S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > > > > Just because Dolores' motives for her actions were not of the "slay everyone > and take over the world" variety does not mean she's not a villain.  Evil > doesn't have to wear a black cape and cackle maliciously in order to be evil.

Re: Harry Potter 5 (no spoilers)

2003-07-29 Thread TomFODW
> Generally true, but I *loved* Dolores Umbridge.  Of course, I'm about the > only person who liked Luna Lovegood among people I;ve talked to, so what do I > know?  :) > A) I don't consider Umbridge to be completely a villain. She's certainly wrongheaded and even cruel and destructive. But she

Re: Harry Potter 5 (no spoilers)

2003-07-29 Thread TomFODW
I enjoyed #5 immensely. I especially liked the way Rowling developed Ginny Weasley - she's turning out to be a very interesting young witch. In general, I think, Rowling does much better with her good guys than with her villains. I also liked the way a lot of stuff that happened in this novel wa

Re: Homeland Security Issue? :-)

2003-07-28 Thread TomFODW
> Democratic state lawmakers fled Texas on Tuesday for the second time in > three months to thwart a Republican drive to redraw the state's > congressional districts. Eleven of the 12 Democrats in the state Senate > left for Albuquerque, N.M., as a first special session called by the > governor to

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-25 Thread TomFODW
>     Since society's role in assigning adoptions should entirely give > consdieration to the needs and rights of the child - not to the desires of > the adopters, I think that society should try and meet the reasonable > expectations of the child whenever possible, since of course, there is no > w

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-24 Thread TomFODW
> Nevertheless, I would hope that everyone would be in favor of the second > half.  I think that this issue is so important and controversial that it should > be decided by the State Legislatures and Congress, which are elected by the > people, and not written by unelected judges. > As will ha

Re: Paul Gigot on the Marsh Arabs

2003-07-23 Thread TomFODW
> Many on the political left have been reluctant to concede the special > brutality of Saddam, as if admitting that truth would justify a war they > opposed. Some genocides are apparently more equal than others. It's true > that America can't right every wrong, or depose every dictator. But the > U

Brin interview on Scifi.com

2003-07-22 Thread TomFODW
http://www.scifiweekly.com/issue326/interview.html Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last." - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-18 Thread TomFODW
> There > is a pervasive dishonesty that has crept into this > issue where we have people actively crippling American > war efforts for short-term partisan advantage - and a > bunch of very bright people on the list who buy that > wholesale.  > Oh, stop it. This is close to the Ann Coulter libel

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-17 Thread TomFODW
> To me, the most bothersome thing about the "16 words" is that it also > happened simultaneously in Australia and England -- Howard and Blair said > the same thing and now blame it on a failure of the British intelligence > service.  What a coincidence that neither the British, Australian nor U.S.

Re: Project Orion

2003-07-16 Thread TomFODW
They use a "Project Orion" type spaceship in the Niven/Pournelle novel "Footfall" to launch a military mission to the F'i'thp conquered space station. That was the first place I ever heard of "Project Orion" (and a lot of other unconventional weapons ideas from the past, such as "Thor"). Tom

Re: The Periodic Table of Dessert

2003-07-16 Thread TomFODW
> http://www.eblong.com/zarf/periodic/closeup.html > Ah. I've seen a different poster with the same title, that had pictures of the desserts...mmm...desserts... :::drools::: Tom Beck Sweet Tooth Maru www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the

Re: Reading lists.

2003-07-14 Thread TomFODW
> (My oldest daughter is 20 and my youngest daughter 13, so Barbie's are > behind us now). > They're into Malibu Stacy now?;) (Either that or they're buying real clothing for themselves, which is even more expensive. ) Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always k

LXG (no spoilers)

2003-07-14 Thread TomFODW
Well...there are a _few_ semi-spoilers at the end. I was very disappointed with this movie. I thought it was surprisingly poorly made - the cinematography was dim and blurred, the editing was choppy, the action sequences were staged in a way that you could not actually see what people were doin

Re: Reading lists.

2003-07-13 Thread TomFODW
> I expect that I will keep repeating myself on this subject occasionally, > until I get a reality check that will tell me if I am alone in believing > John C Wright, author of The Golden Age and The Phoenix Exultant is the > hottest new author since Brin hit the scene. > I'm a big fan of Alastai

Re: Gotta raise the BS flag on this one

2003-07-12 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 7/12/03 10:20:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What is it with sci-fi series and Jack the ripper?  The series Timecop did > several Jack the ripper episodes, Sliders did one, The Outer Limits did one > (then several "sequel" episodes on the same theme), B5 did one, IIRC even

Re: Reading lists.

2003-07-11 Thread TomFODW
>For the Harry Potter books, I like the UK cover art better, at least judging >from Order Of The Phoenix.  And I regret the dumbing down of the book >1 title in the US by changing "Philosopher's Stone" to "Sorceror's Stone". Me too. I have purchased all 5 books from amazon.co.uk because I preferr

Re: Why we "cast" novels

2003-07-10 Thread TomFODW
>The British edition was better than what us herms got. The cover slipped out >to reveal the hanged man. It didn't for the US edition. Yes it did. At least, mine did. Unless I somehow managed to buy the British edition in a US store. -- Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org

RE: Why we "cast" novels

2003-07-10 Thread TomFODW
>I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led Zeppelin >III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums with >suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside.  It's a real >shame: the death of the LP and the small size of CD and tape covers seem

Re: TDF

2003-07-09 Thread TomFODW
>Tom Beck: Who says a playoff series doesn't begin until the home team >loses? I've never heard that. Is it in pro basketball, which isn't a real >sport? Do they mean the team with the home team advantage, or the home team >for each game? I suspect they mean the first but it's still a silly >st

Re: On the topic of atheism.

2003-07-09 Thread TomFODW
>So what does 'the Dodo is extinct' mean? It means you haven't read "The Ugly Chickens". ;) -- Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last." - Dr Jerry Pournelle

RE: TDF

2003-07-09 Thread TomFODW
>Don't forget we totally beat the French! Speaking only for myself, I'm not rooting *against* anyone - I'm rooting *for* Lance Armstrong. -- Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last." - Dr

TDF

2003-07-09 Thread TomFODW
I watched the team time trial of the Tour De France today, and the US Postal Service team (incl. Lance Armstrong) came from way back to not only win but shatter the course, building up speed with every klick, eventually winning by 30 seconds. It was a stirring achievement to watch, because they

Re: More Lies

2003-07-09 Thread TomFODW
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29766-2003Jul8.html?nav=hptop_ts > >"Former Vermont governor Howard Dean said, "The credibility of the U.S. >is a precious commodity. We should all be deeply dismayed that our >nation was taken to war and our reputation in the world forever tainted

Re: Speaking of sports Re: Why we "cast" novels

2003-07-08 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 7/8/2003 6:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Speaking of sports, anyone else following the Tour de France?  If anyone >who knows more about cycling than I do (which isn't very much, aside >from having read Lance Armstrong's _It's Not A

Re: Same-sex marriage

2003-07-07 Thread TomFODW
>So why are US Conservatives against same-sex marriage? Do they want to >force same-sex couples to live in sin? They don't want them to be gay at all. Some of them believe that gay people choose to be gay and that they should therefore choose to be straight. Some are afraid that removing the s

Re: Sandy Kofax

2003-07-07 Thread TomFODW
> My point is that the biography does not idolize him as a person. The author > idolizes him as an athlete and appreciates him as a man. But I would make > the point that Kofax seems unique in his maintaining his dignity and his > refusal to cash in on his celebrity. But rather then argue this I

Re: Sandy Kofax

2003-07-06 Thread TomFODW
>But your description of him is precisely one he would agree to. That is the person >that comes through in the book. He disavows anything more. When he did not pitch on >Yom Kippur this was not a political act and not really a religous one (Kofax is the >prototypical non-observant Jew. And yet h

Re: Sandy Kofax

2003-07-06 Thread TomFODW
How about Juan Marichal? -- Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last." - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Sandy Kofax

2003-07-05 Thread TomFODW
>No baseball for a while so I thought I might stir the pot. Just finished Jane Leavy's >excellent if reverential bio. There is an unfortunate tendency among some of Koufax's admirers, especially those who have known him, to elevate him into some kind of human paragon. Granted that he appears

Re: Heterophobia in the UK

2003-06-30 Thread TomFODW
>But of course the BBC managed to find a straight couple to illustrate >the issue: they have a child and live together and think the new law is >a good thing; but they would like to be able to take advantage of it >themselves since they don't want to get married. > >Why should straight people be

Re: Heterophobia in the UK

2003-06-30 Thread TomFODW
>To modify an old saying: > >"Why buy the cow if you can get the government to give you the milk for free?" I'm afraid I don't see your point. The complaint is that the UK government will, rather than permit actual legal same-sex marriage, permit gay couples certain privileges similar to marria

Re: Heterophobia in the UK

2003-06-30 Thread TomFODW
>However, the changes have been criticised by human rights campaigners >who complain that heterosexual non-married couples are discriminated >against. > >Heterosexual couples will not be eligible for the registration scheme, >a decision attacked by veteran gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell. >

Re: brin: RFID tags

2003-06-28 Thread TomFODW
>With RFID about to arrive in full force, don't be lulled at all. Major >changes are coming, and not all of them will be positive. The law of >unintended consequences is about to encounter surveillance devices >smaller than the period at the end of this sentence. Cool - I sense a whole raft of S

Re: The Brights

2003-06-24 Thread TomFODW
> Is NOT fat.  Is extra layer of skin for keepink warm. > Nyet. Eez FAT. I remember when I lived there seeing women eating containers of sour cream like it was ice cream. :::shudder::: Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon.

RE: The Brights

2003-06-24 Thread TomFODW
<> Well...um...Russians were obese *long* before McDonalds invaded Moscow... Tom Beck ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread TomFODW
> It suggests that the Americans on the list are not > representative of the American public, which was my > point. > So? We're supposed to be? Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last." - Dr

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread TomFODW
> A simple breakdown.  The country as a whole split > essentially 50/50 Bush/Gore.  What do you think the > list split?  I'd bet something like 25/75 Bush/Gore, > and that's being generous. > So? There's something wrong with that? Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I al

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 6/13/03 4:34:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I did.  How many native Americans are alive in the US > today?  If the number is higher than a few hundred, > then that's higher than the number of Jews there are > currently living in, oh, every Arab country put > together.  I r

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
> I suppose because the leaders of those countries were still trying to > bring about Israel's destruction, and the Palestinan refugee situation > seemed to them to help their cause. > That's hardly a defense, as I'm sure you're aware. "We're going to let you suffer indefinitely and ruin countles

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 6/13/03 2:16:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Why, specifically, could they not go to Israel in, say, late 1949 or > 1950? Were they forcibly prevented? By whom? > By that point, I think, the Israelis wouldn't let them back (neither would the Arab countries). And before y

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
> > It's kind of late to worry about that now. > > I have trouble reconciling that statement with someone who has an > interest in understanding history. > > > Come one, how many subjugated peoples in the entirety of world        > > history got to vote on who ruled them? They had never "voted" t

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 6/13/03 2:04:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > So, are you saying that the Arab states in the region were actually > holding the Palestinians prisoner in the refugee camps, forcibly > preventing them from returning to their homes? > More or less. They couldn't go to Isra

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
> > > What right did the UN have to tell Arabs how they would be governed, > > > or to take away their homes? > > > > The land was under UN jurisdiction, that's what right. > > That doesn't sound fair to me, unless the residents of the land voted to > put it under UN jurisdiction. > It's kind o

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
> I'm unsure this solution would have satisfied the Jews of that time.  For > hundreds of years, they had prayed that Jerusalem would be returned to them. >   I'm unsure 'visiting rights' would have satisfied them. > Um...try "for two thousand years"... Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerj

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 6/13/03 1:46:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What right did the UN have to tell Arabs how they would be governed, or > to take away their homes? > The land was under UN jurisdiction, that's what right. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 6/13/03 1:39:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If that is a fair assessment, then I have another question. Were any > (or most) of the refugees able/permitted to return to their homes a > year or so later, when their fear and uncertainty had subsided? If they > were not permi

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
> The same goes for Israel. Shortly after WWII, the least > unfair solution probably would have been taking a > good-sized chunk of land from Germany to form a Jewish > homeland, while negotiating with the Middle East world to > get them visitation rights to their holy sites. Instead, > Europe deci

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
> >Would the Israelis be willing to give up all of their West Bank > >settlements at this point? > > > > If they did, would all of the Palestinians then quit calling for the > annihilation of all Jews?  Would they give up their attempts to claim > Jerusalem? > One thing that needs to be kept i

Re: Hoon soccer FOOTBALL game

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
> Is there a name for a shot where the ball is cradled on the ankles and both > legs are lifted and snapped in a whip-like motion? > Yeah: Falling On Your Ass. It's vaguely similar to the "bicycle kick" or "overhead" though. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
> Why is it so hard to see there's a difference there? > And how come the only people in the world outside of > Israel who care about the difference live in the > United States, and most of them are conservatives? > > Well, most American Jews care quite a lot about Israel, and most of us are no

Re: WMD

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
> Tom, not to be rude, but are you even capable of > discussing these things, or do you just start frothing > at the mouth as soon as someone mentions George Bush? > I mean, you seem like a bright and reasonable guy - > right up until someone mentions a Republican and then > I swear to God someone

Re: WMD

2003-06-12 Thread TomFODW
> Although, admittedly, having asked people who know > something about this sort of thing, and read some > stuff on how hard it is to find these items, I was > probably overoptimistic.  But God forbid that a little > knowledge or expertise would be injected into this > loop. > And God forbid tha

Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread TomFODW
Hamas is now threatening foreigners in Israel. It has warned them to leave. Obviously, they have no intention of giving a shit who is killed in their attacks - Israeli, Palestinian, Arab, foreigner - it's all the same to them. So where are those scumbag European handwringers who scream whenever

Re: Iraqi Death Toll Tallied, Jobs Program Unveiled

2003-06-12 Thread TomFODW
> IRAQ: $100 Million Reconstruction Fund Unveiled; Exiled Royal Returns  > > > http://www.unfoundation.org/unwire/util/display_stories.asp?objid=34208 > > The U.S. civil administration in Iraq yesterday announced plans for a $100 > million investment fund geared to create jobs and jump-start rec

Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth

2003-06-11 Thread TomFODW
> You know, Tom, given your previous record on > predictions in Iraq, do you think you might want to be > a little more careful with statements like the above? > Just a thought.  I mean, if we do find them - and I > still think the odds are pretty good that we will - > what will you hate Bush forei

Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth

2003-06-11 Thread TomFODW
> I do wonder, at some point will the credibility of > these people just evaporate?  I mean, will people say, > gee, the people of Iraq _did_ celebrate when we > arrived, Saddam _was_ defeated fairly easily, the > country _didn't_ collapse into civil war, the museum > _wasn't_ looted, and so on - a

Re: Farts Re: World cancer death rates

2003-06-07 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 6/7/03 5:35:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I think there are stats on that sort of thing somewhere.  I've heard > that cow farts account for a measurable percentage of the greenhouse > gasses produced. > Not cow farts - cow burps produce a lot of methane. Tom Beck ww

Re: (Scouted) Jared Diamond on diabetes

2003-06-05 Thread TomFODW
> If Diamond et.al. are correct then we are doing ourselves a great > disservice. > We are specializing in a way that generally becomes dangerous for a species. > It is possible to become ~too~ adapted. Shouldn't't the word be spread in > these cultures that the lifestyle they are shifting to caus

Re: WMD just a convenient excuse for war, admits Wolfowitz

2003-06-01 Thread TomFODW
> 2) What is wrong with that strategy? It seems to me we are finally doing > what > is necessary to make the world a better place to live in, even if, > especially > if, you are a middle eastern Muslim. War is never the best way to solve > anything. I do not believe I am mistaken when I say that

Re: Supreme Court further dilutes Miranda protections

2003-06-01 Thread TomFODW
> Uh. I don't see how the reporter reaches this conclusion.     It seems > rather obvious that someone's right to not self-incriminate is not violated > if that person is never incriminated, whether by one's self or otherwise. > So, in other words, as long as you are not a suspect, the police

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