>>Tiririca was a TV clown, he ran for Congress.
>>He won because he said things like "Do you know
>>what a Congressman does? I don't know either.
>>Put me there and I will tell you".
>I am also running for political office,
>for the tenth time...~{
Good luck :-)
Alberto Monteiro
>Proving th
> I'm running because I want to oppose that system and give
> residents a voice in how those millions are spent with a
> virtual town hall forum on the city website, for
> transparency, and to hold city officials accountable.
> Jon
> You sound like the kind of guy I might just vote for,
> name re
> This would be great internationally as well,
> not just in the US. If you want a bit of
> (free) adivce on websites, its what I do for
> a living for my sins.
> My Facebook and twitter profile is alexgogan
> Good luck with the project love the idea!
Thanks Alex I'll look you up. I pop u
> That's a tempting idea, but this article got
> me thinking it is just not true.
> Small Change Why the revolution will not be
> tweeted. by Malcolm Gladwell
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/bios/malcolm_gladwell/search?contributorName=malcolm%20gladwell>
> Read more
http://www.newyorker.com
> most Americans feel that we can balance the
> budget without raising taxes by cutting waste
> Dan M.
Leftists should recognize the right has a valid
argument about wasteful government spending.
Jon
> I just can not believe that the opposition
> strategy of the big lie told over and over
> I would argue that the right (the one that
> was in power anyway) was doing all the
> wasteful spending. T
> if you vote for the GOP because you want to
> curb wasteful spending, you're barking up the
> wrong tree.
> Doug fingers crossed
I was NOT arguing you should vote for the GOP (just
o
>My bad. You were right, just a random misplaced thought. Back to lurking.
>> Sorry, Charlie, it seems the new angry crowd out there either think that
>> roads and sewage systems just appear or that we pay too much for them. We
>> can all go back to dirt roads and septic systems, you know:-)
On Oct 8, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
I am also running for political office,
for the tenth time...~{
Proving the old adage, if at first you don't
succeed, don't have the common sense to quit?
Of course, you understand that this was said in the friendliest way
possible. Common
On 09/10/2010, at 10:36 AM, Dave Land wrote:
>
>
> Sounds like you got your priorities right to me. I wonder if you couldn't
> have run under your old name, or if people would just find that weird?
It's not uncommon for female careerists or politicians or authors or
sportswomen to continue to
On Oct 9, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
I'm running because I want to oppose that system and give
residents a voice in how those millions are spent with a
virtual town hall forum on the city website, for
transparency, and to hold city officials accountable.
Jon
You sound like the k
On Oct 10, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Dave Land wrote:
Where would a guy find you on Facebook? Searching for
"Jon Louis Mann" didn't cut it.
Never mind. I remembered that you and I are both friends
of some guy named "David Brin".
Dave
___
http://box535.bl
BTW Jon,
This would be great internationally as well not just in the US,
If you want a bit of (free) adivce on websites, its what I do for a living
for my sins.
My Facebook and twit profile is alexgogan
Good luck with the project love the idea!
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Jon Louis Mann wr
And there I was trying to add David as a Friend and Facebook say do I know
David Personally!!!
Well he doesn't know me but my bookshelf knows him very well >:¬}
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:38 AM, Dave Land wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Dave Land wrote:
>
> Where would a guy find you on F
> Electronic forums are the ideal venue for brainstorming solutions for social
> issues, as you can take time to edit your comments. It also affords more
> people an opportunity to be less passive and have a voice. Moderated sites
> work best to stay on topic and maintain civilized discourse.
-Original Message-
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:17 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: Down with the government!
>> Electronic forums are the ideal ven
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
>
>
> Electronic forums are the ideal venue for brainstorming solutions for
> social issues, as you can take time to edit your comments. It also affords
> more people an opportunity to be less passive and have a voice. Moderated
> sites work
On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Jon Louis Mann > wrote:
Electronic forums are the ideal venue for brainstorming solutions
for social issues, as you can take time to edit your comments. It
also affords more people an opportunity to be less p
>One reason why this generation is less than enthusiastic about protesting
>the government is they feel powerless.
Well, they are powerless to do what they want. According to recent polls,
most Americans feel that we can balance the budget without raising taxes by
cutting waste alone.
By cutt
I am enjoying these discussions just lurking around. I am an example of a
great many, I fear.
I got really involved in politics for the first time in my life working as a
trainer in the Obama campaign. Since then it seems that I have been on
sabbatical from life. I just can not believe that
>I agree with Dan M. and Pogo, "I have met the enemy and he is us." I am
>trying hard to get up and moving to help reeducate the Fox Koolaid drinkers
>but it is difficult to stay motivated.
The education is not just that, IMHO. It's seeing the eschewing of hard
consequences from things one has b
> Leftists should recognize the right has a valid
> argument about wasteful government spending.
I would argue that the right (the one that was in power anyway) was
the one doing all the wasteful spending. The idea that the right is
fiscally conservative _in practice_ is a farce. I'm not saying
-Original Message-
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:54 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: Down with the government
> Leftists should recognize the right ha
At 03:23 PM Friday 10/15/2010, Dan Minette wrote:
[snip]
California has put itself in a box and I'd expect housing prices to drop
another factor of
?
before it can start to rebound. Now, there's a topic we
can debate. :-)
Dan M.
Something missing here . . .
. . . ronn! :)
On 10/15/2010 05:15 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> At 03:23 PM Friday 10/15/2010, Dan Minette wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>>
>> California has put itself in a box and I'd expect housing prices to drop
>> another factor of
>
>
> ?
>
>
>> before it can start to rebound. Now, there's a topic we
>> can debate.
-Original Message-
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Ronn! Blankenship
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:16 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: RE: Down with the government
At 03:23 PM Friday 10/15/2010, Dan Minette
>The cost of living in California is still too high for it to compete
>with other livable areas. Therefore, no new business moves to
>California, especially the bay area. But if housing costs matched those
>in the Plains or Appalachia then it would be more attractive to open a
>business in Califo
>Both parties voted to bail out corporations that
>should have been allowed to fail.
I'm not sure why you think the main argument against letting banks fail is
false. It is that the financial system as a whole could have collapsed if
there was no intervention.
There were measures that a panic a
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
> I'm not sure why you think the main argument against letting banks fail is
> false. It is that the financial system as a whole could have collapsed if
> there was no intervention.
Maybe he thinks it is false because it IS false. A lot of fin
Dan Minette
> That's what makes the Tea Party so interesting. They are actually small
> government believers. I don't say I agree with them, I have strong
> differences with them, but their candidates do have a self-consistent
> message. I think most folks at their rallies don't think through t
-Original Message-
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 2:08 AM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: Down with the government
Dan Minette
>> That's what makes th
On 10/17/2010 05:44 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
I've argued with the other person a lot, and found we agree on a number of
topics, including the need for social justice. He just believes that
government is just the good 'ol boy system run amuck, and that government
programs are mostly a waste. We di
I don't know if the Tea Party is a manufactured political movement, but one
thing I feel certain about, it's titular head Sarah Palin is exploiting it
for all it's worth. I can't imagine she would do anything that would not
ultimately benefit her bank account.
One thing about the Tea Party: if it
On 10/15/2010 4:23 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
-Original Message-
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:54 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: Down with the government
On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:50 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
In other words, we have a continuing culture ware against a backdrop
of change that is rapidly making the old culture obsolete.
Well put. I might add that the old culture is becoming at least
vaguely aware of their increasing marginality, i
I'm curious, if the old culture is in such decline, why are Social
Security and Medicare still untouchable? There is no way, with the
current system, that today's young and middle-aged are going to get as
much out of the system as they put in. It is a giant Ponzi scheme. So
if the old are so powerl
[mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
Behalf Of John Williams
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 11:42 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: Down with the government
I'm curious, if the old culture is in such decline, why are Social Security
and Medicare still untouchable?
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Julia wrote:
> "The old people" don't equate to "the old culture". There's a fairly large
> intersection of the two, but neither is a subset (proper or improper) of the
> other.
I understand that, but as you say, "there's a fairly large
intersection of the two".
There's also people like me who figure I'll not see much, if anything out of
them but don't grouse too much about paying for those already in their golden
years.
- jmh
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:53 AM, John Williams wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Julia wrote:
>
l.com/
> From: ju...@zurg.net
> To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
> Subject: RE: Down with the government
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:35:21 -0500
>
> "The old people" don't equate to "the old culture". There's a fairly large
> intersection of the two, but
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Pat Mathews wrote:
> Besides which, we greedy geezers will pass our ill-gotten wealth down to
> you hard-pressed Xers and your children in due time via the normal process
> of inheritance, if the medical bills needed to keep us functioning don't eat
> every last
Better engineers, and more of them?
Lots of Stanford and Berkeley engineering graduates to hire?
When I talked about this last year with the Google people, they said that
they still believed that you got more dollars for your money hiring
engineers in Mountain View than in Durham or Austin.
They
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Brad DeLong
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:21 AM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: Down with the government
Better engineers, and more of them
Oct 2010 09:14:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Down with the government
From: jwilliams4...@gmail.com
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Pat Mathews wrote:
Besides which, we greedy geezers will pass our ill-gotten wealth down to you
hard-pressed Xers and your children in due
Bruce Bostwick wrote:
>
>> In other words, we have a continuing culture ware against a backdrop
>> of change that is rapidly making the old culture obsolete.
>
> Well put. I might add that the old culture is becoming at least
> vaguely aware of their increasing marginality, irrelevance, and
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Pat Mathews wrote:
> There is NO WAY an ordinary wage-earner could have saved enough to cover
> the sort of insurance-inflated medical bills common today.
>
If true, then by what magic of aggregation can a group of such people afford
something that most individ
>There is NO WAY an ordinary wage-earner could have saved enough to cover
the sort of insurance-inflated medical bills >common today.
>If true, then by what magic of aggregation can a group of such people
afford something that most individuals cannot >afford?
>There are only two possibilities I c
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
> I have tended not to answer you John because I have not been able to solve
> the problem of dialog with you. Whenever I use facts or correlations to
> support an argument you point to the causal density of economics (not your
> term but a ne
l.com/
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:36 -0700
Subject: Re: Down with the government
From: jwilliams4...@gmail.com
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Pat Mathews wrote:
There is NO WAY an ordinary wage-earner could have saved enough to cover the
sort of insurance-inf
On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:18 AM, anar...@gmail.com wrote:
There's also people like me who figure I'll not see much, if
anything out of them but don't grouse too much about paying for
those already in their golden years.
For many years, this is how I have understood Social Security: It's
money
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Pat Mathews wrote:
> Okay. Have it your way. We/they didn't save enough and consume health care
> with reckless abandon. May you never be in the workplace where the clerk,
> knowing that one must never, ever, consume health care one cannot afford,
> comes to work
On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:53 AM, John Williams
wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Julia wrote:
"The old people" don't equate to "the old culture". There's a
fairly large
intersection of the two, but neither is a subset (proper or
improper) of the
other.
I understand that, but as you s
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Bruce Bostwick
wrote:
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:53 AM, John Williams wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Julia wrote:
>>>
>>> "The old people" don't equate to "the old culture". There's a fairly
>>> large
>>> intersection of the two, but neither is a sub
On 20/10/2010, at 8:45 AM, Dave Land wrote:
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:18 AM, anar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> There's also people like me who figure I'll not see much, if anything out of
>> them but don't grouse too much about paying for those already in their
>> golden years.
>
> For many years,
On 20/10/2010, at 8:48 AM, John Williams wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Pat Mathews wrote:
> Okay. Have it your way. We/they didn't save enough and consume health care
> with reckless abandon. May you never be in the workplace where the clerk,
> knowing that one must never, ever,
Sorry, Charlie, it seems the new angry crowd out there either think that roads
and sewage systems just appear or that we pay too much for them. We can all go
back to dirt roads and septic systems, you know:-)
chris Frandsen
On Oct 20, 2010, at 7:09, Charlie Bell wrote:
>
> On 20/10/2010, at
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
> Whereas in much of Europe, it's just tax you pay knowing there's a health
> system and social security that is functional if, god forbid, you actually
> need it. Like you pay for roads, schools etc.
I am not very familiar with how that wor
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
> And *WHOOSH* did you miss Pat's point.
>
> Point being, people who come to work ill 'cause they can't afford to take a
> day off 'cause they don't get sick leave and have to pay for the quack, so
> they turn up to work with the sniffles.
N
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Chris Frandsen wrote:
> Sorry, Charlie, it seems the new angry crowd out there either think that
> roads and sewage systems just appear or that we pay too much for them. We
> can all go back to dirt roads and septic systems, you know:-)
>
Was this supposed to h
On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
When I talked about this last year with the Google people, they
said that
they still believed that you got more dollars >for your money hiring
engineers in Mountain View than in Durham or Austin.
They could be wrong, but I wouldn't lay long od
John;
My bad. You were right, just a random misplaced thought. Back to lurking.
learner
On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:43 AM, John Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Chris Frandsen wrote:
>> Sorry, Charlie, it seems the new angry crowd out there either think that
>> roads and sewage sys
Actually, it was a very good point. Small government and low taxation
libertarians don't explain how these infrastructure services are to be
maintained if the mechanisms for maintaining them are disbanded. And we've seen
in the UK and Australia what privatising the infrastructure does - it leads
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
> Small government and low taxation libertarians don't explain how these
> infrastructure services are to be maintained if the mechanisms for
> maintaining them are disbanded
Actually, quite a few libertarians do explain how that can be done.
John Williams wrote:
...
By the way, the Chris' post fits the definition of a troll much better
than anything I have posted recently, since it was not addressing any
points that had been made in the thread so far, did not appear to make
any effort to explain the change of subject or make a seriou
I'm not saying that everything coming out of Garrett's interview with Bernanke
is not worth considering only because of his party affiliation. I am saying
that from my perspective his agenda sucks, so I am judging him by his group, as
far as that goes. These are people who know how to twist fa
> Electronic forums are the ideal venue for
> brainstorming solutions for
> social issues, as you can take time to edit your
> comments. ?It also
> affords more people an opportunity to be less
> passive and have a voice.
> Moderated sites work best to stay on topic and
> maintain civilized discou
I'm no expert, but it almost seems as if both parties are in on it together and
taking turns while the pendulum swings more and more to the right.
I dunno if the entire financial system would have collapsed if there were no
bailout, and I'm not saying that a depression was what the country nee
Jon Louis Mann wrote:
>
> They way things are going those connoisseurs of Earl Grey may yet
> get their way and start massacring strikers again. Maybe even bring
> back child labor. What an even better world that would be for the elite!~{
>
Talking about child labor... What about France? It s
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Jon Louis Mann
wrote:
> Hey, I'm no fan of Bernanke, but that Congressman, Garrett, would not let the
> poor guy finish his answers!
No, you should have seen it on C-Span. Bernanke was stumbling because
he had no answers. He has "invested" $1.5T in taxpayer mone
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