Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-09-01 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was,Re: The Mercies of The Vatican &

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-30 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: I realize that this involves a switch in worldview because most of us were taught a convenient fiction in school. I certainly believed that the Nazi's had a police state, even for the Ayrians, from the start. I thought the Holocaust was very secret. But now, I accept the evidence

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-30 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Horn, John wrote: Behalf Of Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten No deal. Your basic presumption is flawed. Not every German during the holocaust was automatically and without exception a participant in the holocaust and a jew murdering nazi. Since already this premise for your insults towards me is fa

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 30 Aug 2004, at 3:41 am, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: "Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No deal. Your basic presumption is flawed. Not every German during the holocaust was automatically and without exception a participant in the holocaust and a jew murder

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 09:41:49PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > > Dan M. > > Dan M. > > Dan M. It is very clear when Dan decides to escalate! :-) -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda wrote: I don't feel that I've crossed the line at all, Sonja, when I point out that you will happily give Germans during the Second World War the benefit of every possible doubt, and then some.But when it comes to Jews and Americans, you're not so generous. Says who? Would you car

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No deal. Your basic presumption is flawed. Not every > German during the > holocaust was automatically and without exception a > participant in the > holocaust and a jew murdering nazi. Since already > this premise for your > insults t

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Sonja, I'll make you a deal. If you stop making excuses for people who participated in the Holocaust, I'll stop calling you on it when you do it. No deal. Your basic presumption is flawed. Not every German during the holocaust was automatically and without exception a par

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread Gautam Mukunda
Sonja, I'll make you a deal. If you stop making excuses for people who participated in the Holocaust, I'll stop calling you on it when you do it. = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Freedom is not free" http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com ___ Do you

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Gautam, if you weren't so blindingly disposed to calling me openly or covertly a nazi each and every time I say something about the US or WWII that doesn't fit your world view, you might have actually seen the hypothetical questions. The header change should have been a MA

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jean-Marc Chaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not that I'm particulary keen on defend this > government, but I'd be > thankful if you could elaborate and educate me on > this sentence. As always we > are the last informed on errors of our own > governments. > > Thanks > > > -- > Jean-Marc

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread Jean-Marc Chaton
* Gautam Mukunda [Sat, 28/08/2004 at 08:32 -0700] > There absolutely is. How about I hold France > responsible for actively abetting the Sudanese > government in its genocide in Darfur, Not that I'm particulary keen on defend this government, but I'd be thankful if you could elaborate and educate

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-28 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 08:32:02AM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > The US government is prosecuting the people involved in Abu Ghraib. Some of them, anyway. Not the ones who were most responsible. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http:/

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-28 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How strange that US soldiers misbehaving like they > did in the Abu Graihb > prison (for all I know also in all other totally > shielded or even to us > unknown prisons as well) are somehow exempted from > this point of view. Gee, Son

Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-28 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Damon Agretto wrote: And to do a little thread synthesis here, the discussions about Nazi Germany bear mentioning here as well. We had already talked about German coercion with regards to the Holocaust. The point is, that these Germans KNEW what they were doing was immoral, but chose to do it anywa