On 26/01/2009, at 2:13 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
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> I was getting at another point entirely. For evolution to make
> sense, you
> have to have millions of years of time over which it occured.
For the history of life on earth to make sense, yes. For evolution,
no. We've seen specia
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:10:41 +1000
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Subject: Re: Galactic Effect On Biodiversity
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From: Doug Pensinger brig...@zo.com
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:15:44 -0800
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Galactic Effect On Biodiversity
Dan wrote:
If you really believe that, then you would throw most of evolutionary
> theory out, beause we'
On 26/01/2009, at 7:38 AM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
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>> Empirical observations of patterns occurring within a limited scope
>> can
>> shed no light on the state of things outside that scope.
>
> If you really believe that, then you would throw most of evolutionary
> theory out, beause
On 26 Jan 2009, at 00:20, Charlie Bell wrote:
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> On 26/01/2009, at 7:38 AM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
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>>> Empirical observations of patterns occurring within a limited scope
>>> can
>>> shed no light on the state of things outside that scope.
>>
>> If you really believe that, then you
On 26/01/2009, at 7:38 AM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
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>> Empirical observations of patterns occurring within a limited scope
>> can
>> shed no light on the state of things outside that scope.
>
> If you really believe that, then you would throw most of evolutionary
> theory out, beause w
Dan wrote:
If you really believe that, then you would throw most of evolutionary
> theory out, beause we've only been making good scientific measurements over
> a very limited scope of time, say the last 150-200 years.
The difference in limits of scope between evolution on earth and universal
ev
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> Finally, I assume that modern physics (say from SR on) is correct, and we
> do not live in a Newtonian/Maxwellian universe. If you give me that much,
> I can
>I didn't read about it before last night but this summary of the problem of
>induction from the Wikipedia article on the Cosmological Principal
describes
>my feelings rather well:
>Empirical observations of patterns occurring within a limited scope can
>shed no light on the state of things outs
Dan wrote:
Sorry, I made my last post prior to reading this one.
>
> The actual process of nucleosynthesis is though to have stopped 20 minutes
> after the big bang. We know that the inflationary period had to end after
> densities were below those sufficient to produce magnetic monopoles.
>
> S
Dan M wrote:
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> Which scientists? Are they the same ones who are skeptical about
> evolution?
> :-)
I don't believe that The Big Bang Theory is on as sound a footing as
evolution do you?
Doug
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> Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:36 PM
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> It is exceedingly difficult to judge exactly what the rest of the world
> thinks about the election of Obama
I'll tell you what the populace of New Zealand I live among thinks (and
I suspect a considerable many more nations)...
It's nice to see an adult get elected. Someone who thinks rationa
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
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>
> Yea, god forbid scientists that are skeptical about the bing bang!
Not to mention the badda boom.
Nick
(rim shot, please)
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Ronn! wrote:
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> Seen the back cover of the latest (Feb.) issue of _Astronomy_?
>
> (There's at least one more ad inside.)
>
>
Null Physics?
Doug
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At 10:36 PM Friday 1/23/2009, Doug Pensinger wrote:
> Dan wrote:
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>Even really revolutionary data, like the data that suggests dark energy, are
> > written up in such a way that it implies that the big bang is now in
> > question. That drives me crazy in the same way.
>
>
>Yea, god forbid scient
On 1/24/2009 3:07:57 AM, Charlie Bell (char...@culturelist.org) wrote:
> On 24/01/2009, at 10:53 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
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> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Charlie Bell
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> It's closer to the first example you suggest than the second, but
> >> it's
> >> part of a general
On 24/01/2009, at 8:56 PM, Richard Baker wrote:
> Charlie said:
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>> It's closer to the first example you suggest than the second, but
>> it's
>> part of a general trope of less-good science writing that pitches
>> every new minor spin on science as rewriting the whole body of theory
>> that is
Charlie said:
> It's closer to the first example you suggest than the second, but it's
> part of a general trope of less-good science writing that pitches
> every new minor spin on science as rewriting the whole body of theory
> that is really starting to wind me up.
The "Physics Revolutionised F
On 24/01/2009, at 10:53 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Charlie Bell
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It's closer to the first example you suggest than the second, but
>> it's
>> part of a general trope of less-good science writing that pitches
>> every new minor spin on science as
> -Original Message-
> From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
> Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:36 PM
> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
> Subject: Re: Galactic Effect On Biodiversity
>
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Dan wrote:
Even really revolutionary data, like the data that suggests dark energy, are
> written up in such a way that it implies that the big bang is now in
> question. That drives me crazy in the same way.
Yea, god forbid scientists that are skeptical about the bing bang!
Doug
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> From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
> Behalf Of Charlie Bell
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:16 PM
> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
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>
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On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
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>
> It's closer to the first example you suggest than the second, but it's
> part of a general trope of less-good science writing that pitches
> every new minor spin on science as rewriting the whole body of theory
> that is really starting to
On 24/01/2009, at 2:58 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Charlie Bell
> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> It's interesting, but I'm really sick of the "evolution can't explain
>> this" schtick. Evolution explains how diversity occurs. Extinction
>> events are known, some are understood.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
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>
> It's interesting, but I'm really sick of the "evolution can't explain
> this" schtick. Evolution explains how diversity occurs. Extinction
> events are known, some are understood. That we don't know the specific
> causes of certain extinct
On 23/01/2009, at 11:07 AM, Rceeberger quoted:
> Earlier this year, research revealed that the rise and fall of
> species on
> Earth seems to be driven by the undulating motions of our solar
> system as it
> travels through the Milky Way. Some scientists believe that this
> cosmic
> force ma
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