On Sep 1, 2008, at 3:07 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
> Late-term abortion kills the unborn at a time when they're likely to
> survive (except in cases where the abortion is because they won't and
> they'll probably kill the mother in the process), and is something I
> strongly oppose (because adoption
On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:47 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
> So does celibacy. So not breeding as fruitfully as possible is
> murdering children?
I think that would be a fairly extreme interpretation.
However .. there's a lot to be said against the logic of unilaterally
equating terminating a preg
On 01/09/2008, at 10:32 AM, David Hobby wrote:
> No, it's the honest terminology. Abortion kills children,
> very young children who can't survive outside the womb, and
> who wouldn't count as human at all except for their human DNA.
They're not children yet! Children have *been born*.
Late-ter
At 08:16 PM Sunday 8/31/2008, William T Goodall wrote:
>On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote:
> >
> > No, it's the honest terminology. Abortion kills children,
> > very young children who can't survive outside the womb, and
> > who wouldn't count as human at all except for their human DNA.
On 1 Sep 2008, at 02:32, David Hobby wrote:
> William T Goodall wrote:
>> On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote:
> ...
>>>
>> If you start counting zygotes as children then IUDs and morning after
>> pills are infanticide. That's just wackjob wingnut daft.
>
> Well, they are preventing things
William T Goodall wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote:
...
>> William--
>>
>> No, it's the honest terminology. Abortion kills children,
>> very young children who can't survive outside the womb, and
>> who wouldn't count as human at all except for their human DNA.
>
> No it doesn'
On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote:
> (Sorry about the titles. I just replied about
> Sarah Palin in the "Honest Terminology" thread,
> and in the Sarah Palin thread, I'm talking about
> honest terminology.)
>
> William T Goodall wrote:
>> On 30 Aug 2008, at 04:54, David Hobby wrote:
> .
On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote:
>
> No, it's the honest terminology. Abortion kills children,
> very young children who can't survive outside the womb, and
> who wouldn't count as human at all except for their human DNA.
>
> Now this happens to be the same term adopted by some religio
(Sorry about the titles. I just replied about
Sarah Palin in the "Honest Terminology" thread,
and in the Sarah Palin thread, I'm talking about
honest terminology.)
William T Goodall wrote:
> On 30 Aug 2008, at 04:54, David Hobby wrote:
...
>> William--
>>
>> I truly admire the subtlety with which
On Aug 30, 2008, at 2:26 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
> or the right to lifers started lobbying for her back then...
> jon
Not entirely inconceivable, that. She doesn't have the somewhat
negative name recognition that Lieberman or Huckabee have, which (at
least temporarily) dodges some of the e
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 9:43 AM, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
> And there are people who know that they will lose a reasonable debate
> and therefore deliberately sabotage reasonable debate by using lies
> and illogic and any other dirty tricks they can come up with instead
> of
On Aug 30, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
>> I don't think I would want it to be taught as an "equal"
>> alternative, but
>> she's right, a healthy (and controlled) debate about a socially
>> sensitive
>> subject could be a healthy and useful life skill to develop.
>
> Not in school, and n
On Aug 30, 2008, at 9:50 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
>> "McCain's VP Wants Creationism Taught in School"
>>
>> http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/08/mccains-vp-want.html
>> Told you Maru
>> William T Goodall
>
>
> I'm reading that blog entry a little different. She appears to be
> advocating
> to
On 30 Aug 2008, at 17:13, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 8:32 AM, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>>
>>> People could use that skill in on-line discussions!
>>>
>>
>> That assumes there aren't crazy religionists trying to play the
>> system
>> to promote their supe
On 30 Aug 2008, at 17:10, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:
> William T Goodall wrote:
>>
>> That assumes there aren't crazy religionists trying to play the
>> system
>> to promote their superstitious pernicious garbage.
>>
> When it's split between crazy creationists in one side and
> ma
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 8:32 AM, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > People could use that skill in on-line discussions!
> >
>
> That assumes there aren't crazy religionists trying to play the system
> to promote their superstitious pernicious garbage.
Much more than that.
The esse
William T Goodall wrote:
>
> That assumes there aren't crazy religionists trying to play the system
> to promote their superstitious pernicious garbage.
>
When it's split between crazy creationists in one side and
mass murdering atheist baby killers on the other side, I think
I side with the creati
> Not in school, and not in science class. In comparative religion,
> maybe, but it's hard enough to teach good science without adding a
> load of creation myths to the course.
I agree, not is science class, and I did specifically say that it shouldn't
be taught as an "equal" alternative.
C
On 30 Aug 2008, at 16:19, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gary Nunn
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I don't think I would want it to be taught as an "equal"
>> alternative, but
>> she's right, a healthy (and controlled) debate about a socially
>> sensitive
>> s
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gary Nunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I don't think I would want it to be taught as an "equal" alternative, but
> she's right, a healthy (and controlled) debate about a socially sensitive
> subject could be a healthy and useful life skill to develop.
People
On 31/08/2008, at 12:50 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
>
>
>> "McCain's VP Wants Creationism Taught in School"
>>
>> http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/08/mccains-vp-want.html
>> Told you Maru
>> William T Goodall
>
>
> I'm reading that blog entry a little different. She appears to be
> advocating
>
> "McCain's VP Wants Creationism Taught in School"
>
> http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/08/mccains-vp-want.html
> Told you Maru
> William T Goodall
I'm reading that blog entry a little different. She appears to be advocating
to allow the debate and discussion of both. I didn't read any
On 30 Aug 2008, at 03:54, William T Goodall wrote:
>
> She's a crazy person.
"McCain's VP Wants Creationism Taught in School"
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/08/mccains-vp-want.html
Told you Maru
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On 30 Aug 2008, at 04:54, David Hobby wrote:
> William T Goodall wrote:
>>> Sarah Palin ... "Vice President"
> ...
>>
>> She's a crazy person. With four kids already, and at an age when the
>> risk of fetal abnormalities is massively escalated, she gets pregnant
>> again and when the tests show
William T Goodall wrote:
>>Sarah Palin ... "Vice President"
...
>
> She's a crazy person. With four kids already, and at an age when the
> risk of fetal abnormalities is massively escalated, she gets pregnant
> again and when the tests show it has Down Syndrome she doesn't abort.
> She's w
On 30 Aug 2008, at 02:36, Gary Nunn wrote:
>
> Considering the fact that McCain just announced his VP running mate
> today,
> it's interesting that there are domain names associating Sarah Palin
> with
> "Vice President" registered back in June 2008. The domain name
> VicePresidentSarahPalin.
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