Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:31 PM 3/20/2004 +0100 John Doe wrote: >I am stunned. Over 200,000 *civilians* were killed in that conflict, and you >still consider that "little to no evidence" of genocide? How many civilians >would have to been killed before you call it genocide? My operating definition of genocide is:

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-20 Thread John Doe
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:48:17 -0500 At 04:20 PM 3/18/2004 +0100 John Doe wrote: >So,

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-19 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain > At 04:20 PM 3/18/2004 +0100 John Doe wrote: > >So, Joh

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-19 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 04:20 PM 3/18/2004 +0100 John Doe wrote: >So, John, >200k civilian deaths is "little to no evidence" for you? Then how >many civilians should have been killed before you accept that ethnic >cleansing happened? Couple of millions? Just for the record, I said that there was "little to no eviden

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-19 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:48:13 -0600 - Original Message - From: &

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-19 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Terrorists Win in Spain Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:23:06 -0800 > > You don't have to apologize Doug. It's no biggie. But, in > Canada disagreeing > with the Bus

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-19 Thread The Fool
> From: Mike Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Let's say, Kerry wins the US > > Presidential elections. He is going to dramatically alter the > > US response to terrorism. Would that too count as a win for Al-Qaeda? > > They'll think it is. Likewise a victory for ShrubFuhrer will be a victory for

Re: Mexico [was: Terrorists Win in Spain]

2004-03-19 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: Mexico [was: Terrorists Win in Spain] > JDG wrote: > > > > (As an aside, I don

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-19 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Travis Edmunds wrote: > > >From: Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain > >Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:42:08 -

Re: Mexico [was: Terrorists Win in Spain]

2004-03-19 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > JDG wrote: > > > > (As an aside, I don't think that *anyone* would call Mexico one of our > > strongest "allies". Indeed, Mexico recently withdrew from their formal > > military alliance with us (this alliance also includes Haiti, St. Kitts and > > Nevis, and Venezue

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-18 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain > > >From: Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Killer Bs Disc

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-18 Thread ChadCooper
> > You don't have to apologize Doug. It's no biggie. But, in > Canada disagreeing > with the Bush admin, there was certainly a backwash against > us down south. > And I would be very interested in ANY American opinions on this. I thought we made it VERY clear in the South Park Movie!?!?!!!

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-18 Thread John Doe
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:06:06 -0500 Doug, You mention that while a majority of the worl

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-18 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:42:08 -0800 Travis wrote: Being a proud Canadian, I take offense to that

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-18 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Terrorists Win in Spain Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:25:56 -0600 Isn't that the entire point of terrorism

Mexico [was: Terrorists Win in Spain]

2004-03-18 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: > > (As an aside, I don't think that *anyone* would call Mexico one of our > strongest "allies". Indeed, Mexico recently withdrew from their formal > military alliance with us (this alliance also includes Haiti, St. Kitts and > Nevis, and Venezuela, for what it was worth.) Mexico

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-18 Thread John D. Giorgis
Doug, You mention that while a majority of the worlds democracies supported the war in Iraq, many of their peoples did not. Yet, is this not an argument in my favor about the strength of our coalition? With the mild exception of Switzerland, every modern democracy in the world sets policy th

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-18 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote: What the government of S.A. does and what its people would like it to do are not necessarily the same thing. This could be said of many governments. That's true, but if you took the S.A. governments POV the houseguest analogy wouldn't even apply. -- Doug __

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-17 Thread Doug Pensinger
Travis wrote: Being a proud Canadian, I take offense to that Doug. We are STILL (not WAS) one of your staunchest allies. Nothing has changed in that respect. And I challenge you to prove me wrong. As a side note, I would be interested in hearing some American thoughts on the Canada-USA relati

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-17 Thread Julia Thompson
Doug Pensinger wrote: > > John wrote: > > > Do you have any evidence that the presence of US troops in Iraq is > > proving a stronger recruiting tool for Al Qaeda than the presence of US > > troops in the Muslim Holy Land in Saudi Arabia? > > It's obvious to me John. We were in S.A. at their in

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-16 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:34 PM 3/16/2004 + Alberto Monteiro wrote: >And it's also ironic that in the USA you made a lot of jokes with >frenchpeople, and those that chickened were the so-called macho >spanish :-) I think you're right, Alberto the French clearly must have felt that they were being outdone, be

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-16 Thread Horn, John
> From: Travis Edmunds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > whatsoever. Which is not true. As you might know, the bombings themselves > may have started a dangerous new trend in terrorism. Namely, influencing > the politics of whole countries. And the potential ramifications of that > are grim indeed. Not

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-16 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Travis Edmunds wrote: > > It is sad really that Spain has bent under pressure. Like the subject line > says: "Terrorists WIN..." And that's the team I was hoping would lose. > And it's also ironic that in the USA you made a lot of jokes with frenchpeople, and those that chickened were the so-calle

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-16 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:34:32 -0800 John wrote: It is worth noting the a majority of the worl

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-16 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: "ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Terrorists Win in Spain Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:32:06 +0530 Travis Edmunds wrote: > It is sad

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-16 Thread Keith Henson
At 10:31 AM 16/03/04 +0530, you wrote: Mike Lee wrote: > > Let's say, Kerry wins the US > > Presidential elections. He is going to dramatically alter the > > US response to terrorism. Would that too count as a win for > Al-Qaeda? > > They'll think it is. They as in AQ? I am not so sure of that. I

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: It is worth noting the a majority of the world's industrialized democracies supported us in Iraq. It's also worthy of noting that most of the _people_ in those nations did not support us in Iraq, including the people of Spain. It's also worthy of noting that some of the countries w

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-16 Thread ritu
Travis Edmunds wrote: > It is sad really that Spain has bent under pressure. Like the > subject line > says: "Terrorists WIN..." Juan Cole's latest entry rebuts this charge rather comprehensively: http://www.juancole.com/2004_03_01_juancole_archive.html#107942407001890 750 Professor Cole als

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-15 Thread ritu
Mike Lee wrote: > > Let's say, Kerry wins the US > > Presidential elections. He is going to dramatically alter the > > US response to terrorism. Would that too count as a win for > Al-Qaeda? > > They'll think it is. They as in AQ? I am not so sure of that. I know they'll say it, often and l

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-15 Thread Mike Lee
> Let's say, Kerry wins the US > Presidential elections. He is going to dramatically alter the > US response to terrorism. Would that too count as a win for Al-Qaeda? They'll think it is. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-15 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Terrorists Win in Spain Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:04:05 + JDG wrote: > > Incredible, Al Qaeda attacks Spain ju

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-15 Thread ritu
John D. Giorgis wrote: > >> But does he mean mostly just the ETA, or does he mean all > terrorism? > > > >I have no idea and wouldn't be able to hazard a guess until > he has been > >in office for some time. > > I have seen reports this morning that the Socialists are > already vowing to > "

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-15 Thread ritu
Russell Chapman wrote: > ritu wrote: > > So the Spaniards voted for the socialist party. How exactly > does that > > translate into a victory for terrorists? Zapatero has said that the > > struggle against terrorism would remain a top priority for Spain. > > Only a couple of days before the att

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-15 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:18 PM 3/15/2004 +0530 ritu wrote: >> But does he mean mostly just the ETA, or does he mean all terrorism? > >I have no idea and wouldn't be able to hazard a guess until he has been >in office for some time. I have seen reports this morning that the Socialists are already vowing to "bring th

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So the Spaniards voted for the socialist party. How > exactly does that > translate into a victory for terrorists? Zapatero > has said that the > struggle against terrorism would remain a top > priority for Spain. > > Ritu Well, the attacks seem pretty clear

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-15 Thread Russell Chapman
ritu wrote: So the Spaniards voted for the socialist party. How exactly does that translate into a victory for terrorists? Zapatero has said that the struggle against terrorism would remain a top priority for Spain. Only a couple of days before the attack the popular party (or however you say that

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-15 Thread ritu
Erik Reuter asked: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 01:43:05PM +0530, ritu wrote: > > > translate into a victory for terrorists? Zapatero has said that the > > struggle against terrorism would remain a top priority for Spain. > > But does he mean mostly just the ETA, or does he mean all terrorism? I

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-15 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:45 PM 3/14/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: >I wouldn't place all the blame (for the election results) on the >terrorists - or is my recollection that there was little popular support >for the Spanish government's backing of the Iraq [war] incorrect? Yes nevertheless, the ruling Party

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 01:43:05PM +0530, ritu wrote: > translate into a victory for terrorists? Zapatero has said that the > struggle against terrorism would remain a top priority for Spain. But does he mean mostly just the ETA, or does he mean all terrorism? -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikr

RE: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-15 Thread ritu
John D. Giorgis wrote: > Incredible, Al Qaeda attacks Spain just three days before the > election, and > suddenly the voters plump for the opposition > http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/14/spain.blasts.election/index.h tml So the Spaniards voted for the socialist party. How exactly

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: Incredible, Al Qaeda attacks Spain just three days before the election, and suddenly the voters plump for the opposition I wouldn't place all the blame (for the election results) on the terrorists - or is my recollection that there was little popular support for the Spanish gov

Re: Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-14 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: > > Incredible, Al Qaeda attacks Spain just three days before the election, and > suddenly the voters plump for the opposition > It's an expected result. People around the world aren't too worried to help the USA fight terrorism, if this means that people will die. Alberto Monteiro

Terrorists Win in Spain

2004-03-14 Thread John D. Giorgis
Incredible, Al Qaeda attacks Spain just three days before the election, and suddenly the voters plump for the opposition http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/14/spain.blasts.election/index.html A very sad day in the War on Terror. In other news, Iran has kicked IAEA inspectors out of the