Re: Rolling new releases

2015-10-27 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hi! On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:57:25 +0100, Justus Winter <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: > Quoting Justus Winter (2015-10-05 16:39:46) > > as agreed earlier, we're trying to produce two releases a year. We > > released GNU Mach 1.5, GNU MIG 1.5, and GNU Hurd 0.6 in April, hence > > it is

Re: Rolling new releases

2015-10-26 Thread Justus Winter
Hello, Quoting Justus Winter (2015-10-05 16:39:46) > as agreed earlier, we're trying to produce two releases a year. We > released GNU Mach 1.5, GNU MIG 1.5, and GNU Hurd 0.6 in April, hence > it is time for our next release :) > > I have curated a list of noteworthy changes and populated the NE

Re: Rolling new releases

2015-10-12 Thread Samuel Thibault
David Michael, le Mon 12 Oct 2015 17:16:47 -0400, a écrit : > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Samuel Thibault > wrote: > > David Michael, le Thu 08 Oct 2015 12:55:13 -0400, a écrit : > >> Static linking libpthread doesn't work without it. > > > > Right. Perhaps libpthread shouldn't be defining _

Re: Rolling new releases

2015-10-12 Thread David Michael
On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > David Michael, le Thu 08 Oct 2015 12:55:13 -0400, a écrit : >> Static linking libpthread doesn't work without it. > > Right. Perhaps libpthread shouldn't be defining __libc_getspecific > actually. Thanks for applying all those. After cher

Re: Rolling new releases

2015-10-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
David Michael, le Thu 08 Oct 2015 12:55:13 -0400, a écrit : > Static linking libpthread doesn't work without it. Right. Perhaps libpthread shouldn't be defining __libc_getspecific actually. Samuel

Re: Rolling new releases

2015-10-08 Thread David Michael
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > David Michael, le Tue 06 Oct 2015 17:49:00 -0400, a écrit : >> This one avoids problems with a symbol that is also provided by libpthread: >> https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-glibc/glibc-package/trunk/debian/patches/hurd-i386/tg-libc_ge

Re: Rolling new releases

2015-10-08 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Justus Winter <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> skribis: > as agreed earlier, we're trying to produce two releases a year. We > released GNU Mach 1.5, GNU MIG 1.5, and GNU Hurd 0.6 in April, hence > it is time for our next release :) Don’t forget libc! :-) Ludo’.

Re: Rolling new releases

2015-10-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Thanks for the pending patches notices! David Michael, le Tue 06 Oct 2015 17:49:00 -0400, a écrit : > This one avoids problems with a symbol that is also provided by libpthread: > https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-glibc/glibc-package/trunk/debian/patches/hurd-i386/tg-libc_getspecific.d

Re: more clocks (was: Rolling new releases)

2015-10-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Justus Winter, le Wed 07 Oct 2015 00:17:13 +0200, a écrit : > Quoting David Michael (2015-10-06 23:49:00) > > Finally, a question on a somewhat related note ... maybe for the next > > release: I haven't looked into it much yet, but I was thinking maybe > > gnumach's new boot-time clock could be ex

Re: Rolling new releases

2015-10-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Manolis Ragkousis, le Wed 07 Oct 2015 17:34:39 +0300, a écrit : > There is also a patch in the debian glibc called > "unsubmitted-clock_t_centiseconds.diff" that fixes some test failures > for programs like guile. > > Could this patch be included as well, if a new glibc+libpthread > snapshot is cr

Re: Rolling new releases

2015-10-07 Thread Manolis Ragkousis
There is also a patch in the debian glibc called "unsubmitted-clock_t_centiseconds.diff" that fixes some test failures for programs like guile. Could this patch be included as well, if a new glibc+libpthread snapshot is created? Thanks, Manolis

more clocks (was: Rolling new releases)

2015-10-06 Thread Justus Winter
Hi, Quoting David Michael (2015-10-06 23:49:00) > Finally, a question on a somewhat related note ... maybe for the next > release: I haven't looked into it much yet, but I was thinking maybe > gnumach's new boot-time clock could be exported to provide real > CLOCK_MONOTONIC support for glibc. Ar

Re: Rolling new releases

2015-10-06 Thread David Michael
Hi, On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Justus Winter <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: > as agreed earlier, we're trying to produce two releases a year. We > released GNU Mach 1.5, GNU MIG 1.5, and GNU Hurd 0.6 in April, hence > it is time for our next release :) If a new glibc+libpthread

Re: Rolling new releases

2015-10-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, It'd be good to work out the pending permission issue with fakeroot before the release (see the "fakeroot-hurd bug or not?" thread). Samuel

Rolling new releases

2015-10-05 Thread Justus Winter
Hello, as agreed earlier, we're trying to produce two releases a year. We released GNU Mach 1.5, GNU MIG 1.5, and GNU Hurd 0.6 in April, hence it is time for our next release :) I have curated a list of noteworthy changes and populated the NEWS files with them. Feel free to commit or suggest an

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2015-04-16 Thread Manolis Ragkousis
Congratulations guys, awesome work!! Manolis

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2015-04-16 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Woohoo! Congratulations to everyone involved! :-) Ludo’.

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2015-04-15 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hi! On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 13:11:05 +0200, Justus Winter <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: > Quoting Thomas Schwinge (2015-04-09 09:57:05) > > On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 00:35:17 +0200, Justus Winter > > <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: > > > Quoting Thomas Schwinge (2014-09-23 17:09:30

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2015-04-09 Thread Justus Winter
Quoting Thomas Schwinge (2015-04-09 09:57:05) > Hi! > > On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 00:35:17 +0200, Justus Winter > <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: > > Quoting Thomas Schwinge (2014-09-23 17:09:30) > > > The (technical) release process is not the problem; that I can do any > > > time. > > > >

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2015-04-09 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hi! On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 00:35:17 +0200, Justus Winter <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: > Quoting Thomas Schwinge (2014-09-23 17:09:30) > > The (technical) release process is not the problem; that I can do any > > time. > > Awesome! Let's make one now. :-) Will do tomorrow morning. I

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2015-04-07 Thread Justus Winter
Quoting Thomas Schwinge (2014-09-23 17:09:30) > The (technical) release process is not the problem; that I can do any > time. Awesome! Let's make one now. Justus

Re: Hurd development (was: Release process & rolling new releases)

2015-01-16 Thread Justus Winter
Quoting Samuel Thibault (2015-01-16 12:08:07) > Justus Winter, le Fri 16 Jan 2015 12:01:26 +0100, a écrit : > > No it is not. > > You mean in Debian? Yes. > > I have a new server that implements the startup protocol, and it > > neither has a fixed PID nor does it speak the startup protocol over

Re: Hurd development (was: Release process & rolling new releases)

2015-01-16 Thread Samuel Thibault
Justus Winter, le Fri 16 Jan 2015 12:01:26 +0100, a écrit : > No it is not. You mean in Debian? > I have a new server that implements the startup protocol, and it > neither has a fixed PID nor does it speak the startup protocol over > its message port. You mean your recent rewrite of startup in

Re: Hurd development (was: Release process & rolling new releases)

2015-01-16 Thread Justus Winter
Quoting Samuel Thibault (2015-01-16 11:56:14) > Justus Winter, le Fri 16 Jan 2015 11:42:23 +0100, a écrit : > > I have reimplemented the startup server. The new server does not > > support the startup protocol over its message port. This change has > > not made it into the glibc. The shutdown is

Re: Hurd development (was: Release process & rolling new releases)

2015-01-16 Thread Samuel Thibault
Justus Winter, le Fri 16 Jan 2015 11:42:23 +0100, a écrit : > I have reimplemented the startup server. The new server does not > support the startup protocol over its message port. This change has > not made it into the glibc. The shutdown isn't working. AIUI it is working in the Debian libc th

Re: Hurd development (was: Release process & rolling new releases)

2015-01-16 Thread Samuel Thibault
Justus Winter, le Fri 16 Jan 2015 11:42:23 +0100, a écrit : > Our development process is severely broken. Or noone gives a shit > anymore. Or both. I really cannot tell. Possibly part of the former. Definitely not the latter. Personally, I've been unfortunately stuck with various unexpected is

Hurd development (was: Release process & rolling new releases)

2015-01-16 Thread Justus Winter
Hello :) Quoting Thomas Schwinge (2014-11-22 18:00:06) > Justus, believe me, I do understand your frustration. Thank you very > much for being insistent, instead of just going away. It has been two months, time to escalate the issue again :) > > The glibc change is trivial. And even if the cha

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-11-23 Thread David Michael
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Justus Winter <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: > Quoting Samuel Thibault (2014-11-23 21:11:05) >> Hello, >> >> David Michael, le Wed 19 Nov 2014 19:39:43 -0500, a écrit : >> > The only issue was that /etc/hurd/runsystem.hurd didn't get installed. >> > I ta

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-11-23 Thread Justus Winter
Quoting Samuel Thibault (2014-11-23 21:11:05) > Hello, > > David Michael, le Wed 19 Nov 2014 19:39:43 -0500, a écrit : > > The only issue was that /etc/hurd/runsystem.hurd didn't get installed. > > I tacked the following onto patch #4 in the series to try it. > > Justus, do we need it? I guess i

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-11-23 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, David Michael, le Wed 19 Nov 2014 19:39:43 -0500, a écrit : > The only issue was that /etc/hurd/runsystem.hurd didn't get installed. > I tacked the following onto patch #4 in the series to try it. Justus, do we need it? Samuel

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-11-22 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hi! Justus, believe me, I do understand your frustration. Thank you very much for being insistent, instead of just going away. On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:03:43 +0100, Justus Winter <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: > Either more people have to review the patches, or we need to > change the

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-11-20 Thread Justus Winter
Quoting Samuel Thibault (2014-11-20 00:59:23) > I'm however wondering: I don't see much reviewing being done apart > from mine. It would help if some people could spend time on reviewing > patches. I'm not saying taking responsibility for the commit step or > anything, but just proofreading the s

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-11-19 Thread David Michael
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Justus Winter, le Mon 17 Nov 2014 16:30:18 +0100, a écrit : >> It has now been 2.5 months since I posted that startup patch series, >> and 2 months since I suggested rolling new releases. >> >> I'm annoye

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-11-19 Thread Samuel Thibault
Justus Winter, le Mon 17 Nov 2014 16:30:18 +0100, a écrit : > It has now been 2.5 months since I posted that startup patch series, > and 2 months since I suggested rolling new releases. > > I'm annoyed. I understand this feeling. I'm still waiting (since several years) fo

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-11-17 Thread Justus Winter
hanged is the pid. > I'm sure Roland is okay with updating the 1 to a 2. It has now been 2.5 months since I posted that startup patch series, and 2 months since I suggested rolling new releases. I'm annoyed. Justus

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-10-28 Thread Justus Winter
Hello :) Quoting Samuel Thibault (2014-10-06 11:30:26) > Thomas Schwinge, le Mon 06 Oct 2014 11:22:50 +0200, a écrit : > > So, anything specific that we should wait for before bundling the next > > release snapshots? > > It'd be nice to include the init->startup series after review. (I'm OK > wit

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-10-06 Thread Samuel Thibault
Thomas Schwinge, le Mon 06 Oct 2014 11:22:50 +0200, a écrit : > So, anything specific that we should wait for before bundling the next > release snapshots? It'd be nice to include the init->startup series after review. (I'm OK with the principle, we need to review the patch, and get the glibc ack

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-10-06 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hi! On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 18:42:00 +0200, Justus Winter <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: > > [new releases] > I'll propose updates for the NEWS files. Thanks for these! (It's of course fine to directly include updates to those files in any commits whose changes are NEWS-file-worthy.)

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-09-23 Thread Omar Radwan
I would think that an annual release, or a release every 2 years, coupled with a snapshot every 2 month, would be the best for most people. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Justus Winter <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> skribis: > > > I understand you took care of the

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-09-23 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Justus Winter <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> skribis: > I understand you took care of the release process last time. Is this > process documented somewhere? I think that we should make another > round of releases. In fact, we should make one or two releases each > year. At the very least

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-09-23 Thread Justus Winter
Quoting Richard Braun (2014-09-23 17:23:49) > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 05:09:30PM +0200, Thomas Schwinge wrote: > > For me, the question rather is, what constitutes the releases that we > > publish? Some new, exciting features (including considerable bug fixing, > > code re-writes, re-factoring, an

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-09-23 Thread Richard Braun
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 05:09:30PM +0200, Thomas Schwinge wrote: > For me, the question rather is, what constitutes the releases that we > publish? Some new, exciting features (including considerable bug fixing, > code re-writes, re-factoring, and so on), on the one hand, or regular > time-based r

Re: Release process & rolling new releases

2014-09-23 Thread Thomas Schwinge
Hi! On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:19:02 +0200, Justus Winter <4win...@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: > I understand you took care of the release process last time. Is this > process documented somewhere? I think that we should make another > round of releases. In fact, we should make one or two re

Release process & rolling new releases

2014-09-23 Thread Justus Winter
Hi Thomas, hi Samuel :) I understand you took care of the release process last time. Is this process documented somewhere? I think that we should make another round of releases. In fact, we should make one or two releases each year. At the very least it brings us quite a bit of attention. If