Re: Tag 1.7.0rc1?

2012-04-20 Thread Brian LeRoux
+1 ---but lets wait for Monday as pat suggested I think we should package, and promote the dist too > BTW: Once we're done whatever we need to do with 2.0, can we just increment > by numbers if we're going by cadence? It'd clear up a lot of confusion. Well, I'd personally like to keep MAJOR.MINO

Re: Better Splash Screen?

2012-04-24 Thread Brian LeRoux
Woah, hold up: "The only downside is the dialog does not fully cover the screen." Not in a spot to test this yet but how much is covered / how big is the visual change? If its at all different would we not want to deprecate the old functionality and warn of the new behavior? Final thought, perh

Re: Better Splash Screen?

2012-04-24 Thread Brian LeRoux
y with an ImageView in the background.  I agree that our >>> >splashscreen is janky, and needs to be fixed, but we should make it so >>> >that >>> >you can't tell it's a Cordova app. >>> > >>> >But yeah, I'm fine with this

Re: Pluginization FTW

2012-04-24 Thread Brian LeRoux
+1 On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > One thing I wanted to mention: I do not think it is necessary to have an > "addplugin" api in JS. > > I think it should be completely up to the plugin author where and how they > want to attach their JS API (if it exists) to global namespaces

Re: Pluginization FTW

2012-04-26 Thread Brian LeRoux
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Drew Walters wrote: > I would agree that it shouldn't be "necessary" for the addPlugin API > (more like addNamespace), however it was nice to have during my > development.  If you look at the addPlugin API you'll notice it waits > until DOMContentLoaded is fired so

Re: Better Splash Screen?

2012-04-26 Thread Brian LeRoux
ss platforms. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Would be a good exercise in plugin authoring, something that we >> >>need >> >> to >> >> >> > work out details for for 2.0 anyways (but that's

Re: `instanceof` considered harmful in cordova-js

2012-04-27 Thread Brian LeRoux
Would like to know the exact offending piece of code too. I'd question the need of even having that check its good to be defensive but this code would just silently return instead of failing noisily anyhow. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Jesse wrote: > Channel.prototype.subscribe = functio

Re: `instanceof` considered harmful in cordova-js

2012-04-27 Thread Brian LeRoux
+1 to that; and, as a practice, we def should be failing noisily rather than a silent return! On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > >>My vote is typeof for everything but Array and Date, and add some >>handy-dandy util methods isArray() and isDate() to do the checking with >>the >>

Re: Ready to Tag 1.7.0?

2012-04-30 Thread Brian LeRoux
tag it, and create a branche for 1.8 On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Jesse wrote: > +1 on readiness > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Anis KADRI wrote: > >> I am ready to tag my repos. I actually I'd like to do it today so that I >> can tackle the 1.8.0 tasks. >> >> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at

Re: Apache Release?

2012-05-02 Thread Brian LeRoux
I think mentor sign off is the last step? On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > With 1.7 and all the source headers in place for the docs, I think we can > finally put together a legit Apache Release. > > What is our plan for this? >

Re: Checking platform + version in cordova-js

2012-05-03 Thread Brian LeRoux
+1 Patricks thoughts as an immediate action. * * * Looks like the latest JS is roughly 120-180k. I would take this to mean that the platform specific business tends to be around 60k depending on the platform. Would it be tenable to combine the JS into a single file that platform/feature loads it

Re: bin/node-modules

2012-05-03 Thread Brian LeRoux
It's up for debate for sure. http://www.mikealrogers.com/posts/nodemodules-in-git.html Delete and add to dependencies in package.json for now. On Thursday, May 3, 2012, Shazron wrote: > I have no idea how node packages work, so I suppose, delete? > > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 5:40 PM, > wrote:

Re: Command Line Tooling

2012-05-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
yup it does in ./bin, also keep an eye here: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-630 On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Jan Becicka wrote: > Hm, it looks like iOS does not have such tools… Or did I miss something? > Regards, > Jan > > >> Every platform has its own set of CLI tools at the momen

Re: API addition: application version

2012-05-08 Thread Brian LeRoux
// i'd like something like this... require('cordova').platform(function(platform) { console.log(platform.name) // Tizen <---don't laugh, its gonna happen! console.log(platform.version) // '0.7.0' // gratuitous... console.log(platform.version.MAJOR // 7 console.log(platform.ver

Re: API addition: application version

2012-05-08 Thread Brian LeRoux
> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Brian LeRoux wrote: >> // i'd like something like this... >> require('cordova').platform(function(platform) { >> >>    console.log(platform.name) // Tizen <---don't laugh, its gonna happen! >>    console

Re: API addition: application version

2012-05-08 Thread Brian LeRoux
> Do we really need to make this async? no, no. thought we'd normally stay away from sync calls to the native bridge if we could. perf wise. etc. > The only upside to async is that we > can request the information lazily. oh, well I disagree here too! but lets save that for another day, like ne

Re: API addition: application version

2012-05-08 Thread Brian LeRoux
wait, so we're going to echo the version of the widget in config.xml but *not* expose the runtime version? or am I reading things wrong? On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > +1 window.widget >

Re: API addition: application version

2012-05-08 Thread Brian LeRoux
ok cool, eh so where does config.xml live in an android proj anyhow? or any platform for that matter? inside the www? (happy we are officially going to start supporting it. still think we should re-think the device object and the baggage it contains into something else.) should this be something

Re: using wr to automagically build/test cordova-js while you're hacking it

2012-05-09 Thread Brian LeRoux
ya thats fun =) On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > Nic. Just npm-install'ed that, me likey. > > Thanks Pat! > > On 5/4/12 9:51 AM, "Patrick Mueller" wrote: > >>I posted a little YouTube video yesterday showing how I do development on >>cordova-js: >> >>    http://www.youtube.

Re: Question: Source PSDs for iOS Capture bundle (Capture API)

2012-05-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
Probably the svn repo for the website src? On May 10, 2012 1:34 AM, "Shazron" wrote: > I'm going to include the PSDs in the repo. They are 54MB though, and > I'm wondering if there's a better place for it besides the iOS repo. > > > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Shazron wrote: > > Do I just in

Re: Command Line Tooling

2012-05-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
Ah np, the download currently includes no cli tooling. Just the bare bones there. You need the dev repos to get the tools. This will change in the future though how is yet to be sussed out. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Jan Becicka wrote: > I'm sorry, I feel stupid… > I simply don't see it. I

Re: Linking to markmail list archives on Apache Cordova website

2012-05-13 Thread Brian LeRoux
committed it; now waiting for the svnweb thing to do its thing On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > Basically can we put a link to http://callback.markmail.org/search/?q= on > the website? >

Re: Linking to markmail list archives on Apache Cordova website

2012-05-14 Thread Brian LeRoux
d_mbox/incubator-callback-dev/ > > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: >> committed it; now waiting for the svnweb thing to do its thing >> >> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Filip Maj wrote: >>> Basically can we put a link to http://callback.markmail.org/search/?q= on >>> the website? >>>

Re: Platform permissions and documentation

2012-05-14 Thread Brian LeRoux
yup. both would be super helpful. I can open up the tickets. you guys feel there is time enough for 1.8 to do this? On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Jesse MacFadyen wrote: > +1 to doing both. > This applies to WP7 as well. > > Cheers, >  Jesse > > Sent from my iPhone5 > > On 2012-05-14, at 9:46 A

Re: Cordova BlackBerry WebWorks SDKs (5.0 / 6.0 / 7.0 / 10 / PlayBook)

2012-05-15 Thread Brian LeRoux
Good times. You guys want to try and get the Air repo up before graduation or wait until after too? On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Michael Brooks wrote: > Right. > > And just to simplify the transition, we would rather not immediately rename > "incubator-cordova-blackberry-webworks" to > "incu

tag rc monday?

2012-05-15 Thread Brian LeRoux
how ya guys feeling on 1.8?

Re: tag rc monday?

2012-05-16 Thread Brian LeRoux
ship the code we have in that branch or defer. If we defer, we > need to start working on other fixes asap so we have something to show for > this release on Android. > On May 15, 2012 9:55 PM, "Brian LeRoux" wrote: > >> how ya guys feeling on 1.8? >>

Re: tag rc monday?

2012-05-17 Thread Brian LeRoux
anada, not sure if that matters. >> > >> > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Filip Maj wrote: >> > >> >> I'm fine with it. Friendly observation that there are still a _ton_ of >> >> issues slated for 1.8 to be resolved. We're less than

Re: project ./cordova folder scripts

2012-05-17 Thread Brian LeRoux
> 1. The iOS version of 'debug' seem to be able to build any project via > args, is this a requirement? no, onlly to the project that it is local is better also > 2. For WP7 I have had to write a command line application in order to > install and launch the app on a device or emulator, should th

Re: API function: Open url in system web browser

2012-05-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
Can we back up a little to the orig proposal. Why not walk the DOM w/ cordova.js and add a URL param on hrefs with a target _blank for iOS to look for?? Let's keep Cordova as close as possible to browsers where we can. This isn't to say a programmatic API isn't needed but duck punching window.open

Re: API function: Open url in system web browser

2012-05-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
Agree we could use both those thins but before we solve w/ a new nonstandard api: what doesn't work about target _blank again? On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Andrew Lunny wrote: > Yes, a cross-platform loadUrl with some tweaks would be the right fix. The > catch I remember with loadUrl on Andro

Re: API function: Open url in system web browser

2012-05-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
> * not cross-platform, and will never work on Android 2 why not? > * doesn't really work on iOS - iOS can't access the value of the target > attribute, so it's just checking whether "target" is set. Shaz has more > details in the JIRA issue referenced above could we not walk the dom in the cord

Re: API function: Open url in system web browser

2012-05-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
>> won't work with how iOS handles this. >> >> Android has this undocumented API which we need to document anyway, >> all we need is iOS to support it. >> >> +1 for loadUrl as spec'ed already by Android. >> >> Shaz >> >> On Fri, May 18,

Re: Setting up a server for testing infrastructure

2012-05-19 Thread Brian LeRoux
Thats good news. How do we get access to / provision machines? On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Filip Maj wrote: > Talked to some dudes in #asfinfra on irc; they don't see a problem with us > hosting testing stuff outside of apache infra. Werd. > > On 5/18/12 4:06 PM, "Filip Maj" wrote: > >>Hi l

Re: API function: Open url in system web browser

2012-05-19 Thread Brian LeRoux
Sorry shaz, I must be dense but I missed the technical reasons? On May 19, 2012 11:48 AM, "Shazron" wrote: > > The method I'm proposing > > assumes all link events are trapped, inspected for a url param, and in > > its absence, falls back to default behavior. Maybe thats not > > realistic. Seems

Re: API function: Open url in system web browser

2012-05-19 Thread Brian LeRoux
s back up (it's under maintenance right now), see my > first/second comment on this issue: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-362 > > It's a bit too long to rehash :) > > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Brian LeRoux wrote: >> Sorry shaz, I must be dense but

Re: API function: Open url in system web browser

2012-05-20 Thread Brian LeRoux
s and adding my recommendation in a while > ... > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Shazron wrote: > > > >> No. Read it again, especially the two request part. For urls NOT in > >> the whitelist, the first request will be rejected by the

Re: API function: Open url in system web browser

2012-05-20 Thread Brian LeRoux
Also, pls consider the solution I propose comes with the benefit that links continue to work in the browser without modification. On May 20, 2012 9:43 AM, "Brian LeRoux" wrote: > How is opening a URL in a web browser a security risk to the Cordova code > shaz? > > Jesse:

standard project template

2012-05-22 Thread Brian LeRoux
How do you guys feel about retiring the various first run projects for a single one that we 'vendor' into each ala cordovajs? I kinda prefer that experience be like the iOS one.

Re: standard project template

2012-05-22 Thread Brian LeRoux
t idea. Why don't we use the example project that Libby sent a pull >> request on awhile back. It exercises all of the API and looks a mite bit >> better than the current one we are using. >> >> Simon >> >> On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, Brian LeRoux wrote: >&

Re: standard project template

2012-05-22 Thread Brian LeRoux
ooh, that does look nice! a little nervous we're going to be inheriting some strong maintenance w/ something like this but it is pretty cool On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Drew Walters wrote: > Took a couple of screen captures of Libby's sample project for those > that haven't built/run it: > >

Re: Yet another Camera option (for iOS)

2012-05-25 Thread Brian LeRoux
+1 its not a standardized api anyhow / its def a phonegap plugin of the future On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Simon MacDonald wrote: > If we are getting rejections in the App store I think we should fix it > immediately. I'd be happy to test it for Android as I don't expect it will > require a

Re: standard project template

2012-05-29 Thread Brian LeRoux
>> > > I would like to see the sample app at least show listening for the >> > > 'deviceready' event since that seems to be a common problem and >> > > provides some guarantee of Cordova initialization. >> > > >> > > Something like this maybe?

new repo for experiementation and random stuff like the hello world app

2012-05-29 Thread Brian LeRoux
I remember a thread but cannot find it where we discussed this. I opened a ticket at infra. They need a thread that shows there is rough consensus. Basically the idea is a repo where we can put odds and ends like scripts, our hello world, whatever. Thoughts?

Re: [Android] Merging CordovaWebView once 1.8 is released

2012-05-29 Thread Brian LeRoux
Sounds good to me. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Joe Bowser wrote: > Hey > > Is it cool if for the 1.9 release, we merged the CordovaWebView source into > the master once 1.8 is tagged?  It'd be good to get this done early to make > sure that this makes it in for the release candidates.  The l

Re: How to set the volume when we play sounds?

2012-05-31 Thread Brian LeRoux
Hi Dominik, I had a quick look around and there is prior art here (in opera anyhow) [1] so I think tis a good addition. We've slated to have a second look at media post 2.x in the roadmap so I updated it there. [2] 1. http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/html5-audio-radio-player/ 2. http://wiki.apac

Re: [DISCUSS] API addition: aborting FileTransfer upload/download process

2012-05-31 Thread Brian LeRoux
precisely the sort of thing we wanna do and likely quite doable by 2.x +1 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Shazron wrote: > Generally +1 on XHR2, but we're still planning on supporting iOS 4.2 in > Cordova 2.0, so we'll need to shim if not available. > > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Dave Jo

Re: Official project committer list

2012-05-31 Thread Brian LeRoux
For future reference, so I don't have search markmail, I started a wiki page w/ this here. Thx for figuring that out Fil http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/UpdatingIncubationStatusPage On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > Phew, updated that page! That was not easy. > > http://incubato

Re: How to set the volume when we play sounds?

2012-05-31 Thread Brian LeRoux
gt; we based the apis on have had a few revisions and it's worth going through > them. Battery, media, accelerometer/compass vs deviceorientation vs > devicemotion, contacts, etc etc! > > On 5/31/12 5:47 AM, "Brian LeRoux" wrote: > >>Hi Dominik, I had a quick l

Re: [DISCUSS] API addition: aborting FileTransfer upload/download process

2012-05-31 Thread Brian LeRoux
given the backwards compat and the fact that 2.x is really only a couple of months out maybe hold off until we do 3.x planning even On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Filip Maj wrote: > How about a compromise: slate use of XHR2 as the way to do it for 2.0 or > 2.x (documentation issue) and then fi

Re: Command Line Tooling

2012-05-31 Thread Brian LeRoux
love everything except the echo stuff; could we add a quiet flag? only want noise if something breaks On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Anis KADRI wrote: > Hi guys, > > I did not want to mess with the current client tools for Android so I > created a new create script and called it create2. > > T

Re: Command Line Tooling

2012-05-31 Thread Brian LeRoux
;) > I can definitely add a "-v" flag and make sure that the messages display > only if that option is passed. > > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: > >> love everything except the echo stuff; could we add a quiet flag? only >> want noise if some

Re: CLI Help and Espresso tools

2012-06-01 Thread Brian LeRoux
Hey Sebastian, for the moment the CLI business is just plain Bash (most portable situation) and only for very narrow use case of project generation. Anis is going to be tackling plugin installation based on prior art by Andrew Lunny but this is a long term thing not so much something we can just do

Re: [DISCUSS] API addition: aborting FileTransfer upload/download process

2012-06-01 Thread Brian LeRoux
er then anyhow. > > -d > > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Brian LeRoux wrote: >> given the backwards compat and the fact that 2.x is really only a >> couple of months out maybe hold off until we do 3.x planning even >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Filip

Re: [DISCUSS] using JSON.parse to parse messages from native

2012-06-01 Thread Brian LeRoux
Should def use JSON.parse ...tho generally no religious exceptions to eval or cousins like new Function. Super handy constructs for some purposes like dynamic function generation. Used em a lot in Lawnchair. On Friday, June 1, 2012, Patrick Mueller wrote: > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Jesse

Re: Release date for 1.8?

2012-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
> CB-597 + CB-563, CB-179, lets punt to 1.9 and start a thread discussing webos future > Other than that I think tagging 1.8 this week should be done ASAP. yes

cordova labs

2012-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
quick update that we now have a repo for the random (like the starter project) thank you jukka!!

[DISCUSS] graded platform support / deprecating webOS and Bada

2012-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
Hey guys, I'd like to start some discussion about where we put our efforts and how. Currently the webOS and Bada platforms collectively account for <20million devices globally and dropping. I don't think we should outright remove our support but I am thinking we do drop them from the official dist

Re: [DISCUSS] graded platform support / deprecating webOS and Bada

2012-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
gt; > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: >> >> Hey guys, I'd like to start some discussion about where we put our >> efforts and how. >> >> Currently the webOS and Bada platforms collectively account for >> <20million devices globa

Re: [DISCUSS] graded platform support / deprecating webOS and Bada

2012-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
Created a quick wiki article for this: http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/PlatformSupport On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: > thats interesting, how would that be maintained...just an old branch I guess? > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Shazron wrote: >> I th

Re: [DISCUSS] graded platform support / deprecating webOS and Bada

2012-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
un 4, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Jesse wrote: > so maybe we need to add  LateMorning, MidAfternoon, 2MinutesToMidnight, ... > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Shazron wrote: > >> If anyone wants to maintain, it would be off 1.9.0 and branched, yup >> >> On Mon, Jun

Re: [jira] [Commented] (CB-643) Use the Apache RAT (Release Audit Tool) on sources, add Apache License

2012-06-04 Thread Brian LeRoux
license header in a generated project isn't a big deal; at that moment the developer whom generated it can choose to relicense (or not) as they wish On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > I don't see the issue here. > > The example code we ship is apache-owned, so the license header

[DOCS] Getting Started (CLI) && Getting Started (IDE)

2012-06-05 Thread Brian LeRoux
Today we have Getting Started guides which walk the developer through the right buttons to click in their IDE. Soon we will have most of the plumbing cleaned up for the CLI so I'm thinking we have a second set of getting started guides but focused on CLI usage only. Thoughts?

one file to rule them all: some post 2.x thoughts

2012-06-05 Thread Brian LeRoux
Just had a water cooler discussion about the holy grail of having one js file to rule them all. 1. platforms have differences but could it be feasible to ship all those differences in the single file and sort out which traits to load at runtime. this would certainly introduce a latency and parse h

Re: [Android] Merging CordovaWebView into Master

2012-06-06 Thread Brian LeRoux
<3 also get Anis to send a pull req for the new create script love. sooner that stuff is in the better. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Joe Bowser wrote: > Hey > > So far 1.8.0 has been out for a day, and nothing has imploded yet.  So, I'm > going to do the rebase and get CordovaWebView merged w

Re: Plugin loading - on startup and on demand

2012-06-07 Thread Brian LeRoux
this is getting meta. maybe we should make it transport agnostic so that ppl could use json or yaml. /me ducks (In seriousness having one xml file for this business would make good sense.) On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Dave Johnson wrote: > Speaking of which, we should probably merge plugins

Re: Plugin loading - on startup and on demand

2012-06-07 Thread Brian LeRoux
If we're going to break stuff 2.x is the time. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Shazron wrote: > Not sure if we agreed or there was a consensus on having one xml file > to rule them all, and the timeline. If so, jira issues should be > created > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2012 ([ppmc])

2012-06-08 Thread Brian LeRoux
Is done (pls verify/hack up as needed). http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 (I've been keeping a log of all the things as they happen / just forgot to publish it.) On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Marvin wrote: >> The board me

Re: Crash bug - tagging 1.8.1 iOS only

2012-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
>From a policy point of view I think we should just issue point releases on the src but not go through cutting an entire release. (Unless its a security fix which we should issue general release and make a big hoo hah about it.) On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Shazron wrote: > I doubt it's *our

release 1.8.1

2012-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
So we have a fairly big issue in iOS 1.8 wherein a PhoneGap app is crashing if the user swipes down the notification centre while in-app. The question is whether this is a bug big enough to cut an 1.8.1 official release for all platforms or if pointing users to the minor tag is enough. [+1] releas

Re: release 1.8.1

2012-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
anged, but still > considerably easier than the tag->domino effect we have now. IMO > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > >> +1 release 1.8.1 >> >> On 6/11/12 2:15 PM, "Brian LeRoux" wrote: >> >> >So we have a fairly big

Re: Plugin loading - on startup and on demand

2012-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
ould break stuff for the 2.0 release so it will be >>>consistent going forward. >>> >>>Simon Mac Donald >>>http://hi.im/simonmacdonald >>> >>> >>>On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: >>>> If we're going to

Re: Plugin loading - on startup and on demand

2012-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
solution! On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Shazron wrote: > To build in support now? I like Patrick's suggestion of adding a > "+LoadAtStart" to the plugin identifier, it is least intrusive. > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: >> how much effort w

Re: release 1.8.1

2012-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
t;> >> > >> On 6/11/12 2:30 PM, "Jesse" wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >Before I tip my hand on a vote ... >> > >> >Is there any chance of a middle ground here? >> > >> >Updating all platforms to 1.8.1 for the benefit of

Re: release 1.8.1

2012-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
;> > >> Would love to hear what non-Adobe folks have to say about this. >> > >> >> > >> On 6/11/12 2:30 PM, "Jesse" wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >Before I tip my hand on a vote ... >> > >> >Is there any chance

Re: release 1.8.1

2012-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
n, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: > >> I'd like to propose we take jesses suggestion but with the tweak that >> we do not add a new patch level. The downstream distribution would >> just read: >> >> phonegap-1.8.x.zip >> >> wherein th

Re: release 1.8.1

2012-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
ship >> phonegap-1.8.1.zip (just simpler). >> >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: >> >> > Well, here's the proposal again. >> > >> > 1. We ship a package and it is titled phonegap-1.8.x.zip >> > 2. Inside that pack

Re: Plugin loading - on startup and on demand

2012-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
un 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: >> Well, ok --- so the idea of config.xml support is that it adheres to >> the proj goal of being standards based impl for web tech. There is >> much debate of the perfection of various manifests (and even debatable >> there

config.xml all the things

2012-06-11 Thread Brian LeRoux
We have a proliferation of manifest-like files that are, mostly, XML. iOS - [APP_NAME]-Info.plist - Cordova.plist Android - plugins.xml - cordova.xml BlackBerry - config.xml <---yay - plugins.xml <---wait, wat WindowsPhone - ? Bada - config.xml <--- yay * * * I created a parent issue [1] to r

Re: iOS - the time has come - we need to have selective compilation of core plugins (app rejection for inclusion of Contacts API)

2012-06-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
guess its time we stopped shipping the prebuilt and start looking at shipping the src / compile. this will fix our 'permissions for all the things' in android land too On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Shazron wrote: > May or may not be related to this issue: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/brows

Re: Resurrection: orientation

2012-06-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
+1 On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Shazron wrote: > If it's a breaking change, I'd like it for 2.0 > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Filip Maj wrote: >> Yay/nay for orientation? Punt it to post-2.0 ? >> >> On 6/11/12 4:56 PM, "Shazron" wrote: >> >>>More links: >>>1. http://wiki.apache.org/c

Re: config.xml all the things

2012-06-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
> Config.xml introduces redundancy in terms of specifying app metadata in > some cases. How are we going to consolidate the two places where some app > info can be specified? It does, my ideal situation is the canonical src is the config.xml and the native bits are build artifacts (detritus, maybe

Re: FileTransfer header support and options

2012-06-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
> Once we ship 2.0 we need a revision of _all_ APIs pretty badly. Lots of > specs have been updated/revised. Review the mobile landscape. See what > direction/specs the functionalities we aim to provide with cordova are > going and polyfill those for our users. This is true. The sys-apps group in

Re: FileTransfer header support and options

2012-06-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
our own > FileTransfer. Pretty much all of them haha. > > On 6/12/12 3:44 PM, "Brian LeRoux" wrote: > >>> Once we ship 2.0 we need a revision of _all_ APIs pretty badly. Lots of >>> specs have been updated/revised. Review the mobile landscape. See what >>

Re: ./cordova/log on BlackBerry

2012-06-13 Thread Brian LeRoux
Makes great sense --- would love to have the ability for any platform to use a server/proxy reporter. You could imagine this infra being useful in dev time, and production time, for general logging/crash reporting. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Filip Maj wrote: > Hey all, > > Trying to fill i

Re: Outstanding webOS issues

2012-06-13 Thread Brian LeRoux
Agree for removing from distribution. Would like to propose we only ship: - iOS - Android - BlackBerry - Windows Phone - Bada ...for the moment. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Anis KADRI wrote: > I say we leave it dormant until open webos 1.0 is released in September or > until HP decides to

Re: [Android] Branching Issues

2012-06-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
do eet On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > +1 > > On 6/18/12 11:42 AM, "Joe Bowser" wrote: > >>Hey >> >>I created the buttons branch for work on button binding.  I'm thinking we >>should do work with buttons in that branch.  As for the other branch, the >>old CordovaWebView branc

Re: [Android] Plugin.ctx needs a rename

2012-06-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
I'm of the opinion that native impl should *not* abstract the platforms at the plugin level. It breaks old plugins, which is fine, but for what benefit? Conceptual purity at that level will make it harder to recruit plugin authors from their respective navtive platforms. On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:

Re: [Android] Plugin.ctx needs a rename

2012-06-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
: get this change in for 1.9, deprecate the > .ctx member in 1.9 as well, and axe it in 2.0. > > On 6/18/12 12:15 PM, "Brian LeRoux" wrote: > >>I'm of the opinion that native impl should *not* abstract the >>platforms at the plugin level. It breaks old plugins, whi

Re: [Android] Plugin.ctx needs a rename

2012-06-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
tx a Context like what the convention is, > we should conform to convention and call the CordovaInterface something > descriptive like cordova since that will be less disruptive. > > So, yes, we've been kicking this can around the parking lot for a while. > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at

Re: [Android] Plugin.ctx needs a rename

2012-06-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
aight On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > New thread methinks. > > On 6/18/12 3:06 PM, "Brian LeRoux" wrote: > >>ok, that makes sense! it isn't even a Context. ya, bad. kill. with. fire. >> >>(and a deprecation notice) >> >&

deprecation policy

2012-06-18 Thread Brian LeRoux
We don't really have one tho I think we loosely follow Semantic Versioning. In Android-land we recently merged in CordovaView which has an API change which will break many plugins. In Semantic Versioning reality we are completely justified to kill an API in 2.x which would make a great deal of pai

Re: First Pull request for Cordova on Tizen Port !

2012-06-19 Thread Brian LeRoux
Fantastic! I've opened an issue w/ infra to create incubator-cordova-tizen git repo. [1] Shouldn't take very long. Is there a way for us to have a look at the src in advance? [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4935 On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Paul Plaquette wrote: > Hi folks,

Re: UUID on other platforms

2012-06-19 Thread Brian LeRoux
> What are the implications of UUID for Android, BB, and any others > (platform policy wise)? I see a WP7 quirk in the docs already. > Do we NEED this? That is the key question. I'd say that is the app developer concern (generating a guid from js and putting in localStorage is pretty easy).

Re: Not worth it refactor

2012-06-19 Thread Brian LeRoux
agree---most important focus will be getting our plugin api docs and tools in order On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Shazron wrote: > +1 > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Filip Maj wrote: >> Our homebrew Media API is likely getting scrapped after 2.0 right? If so >> refactoring it is not wort

Re: Git support

2012-06-19 Thread Brian LeRoux
wow, I really like the issue tracker (and gui in general actually). problem is we're just starting to get our groove here and fear another change would really tick off the community! cool proj tho. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > I just wanted to flag a new Incubator propo

Re: Git support

2012-06-19 Thread Brian LeRoux
had it been an option at the time of our incubation I suspect we would've gone for this system for sure On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 19 June 2012 14:19, Brian LeRoux wrote: >> wow, I really like the issue tracker (and gui in general actually). >&

Re: deprecation policy

2012-06-19 Thread Brian LeRoux
the standard deprecation techniques for the native platforms >> enough ahead of time, blog about upcoming breaking changes, provide >> tutorials and documentation for how to migrate, I am fine with it. >> >> On 6/18/12 3:25 PM, "Brian LeRoux" wrote: >> >>&g

Re: UUID on other platforms

2012-06-19 Thread Brian LeRoux
> ...the more things we simply offload to call 'app > developer concerns' the less anyone will need our framework. IMHO this > would be pursuing the 'cease to exist' mantra from the wrong direction. how so? should we be advocating adding a unique identifier to web browser apis? (don't think it'll

Re: Git support

2012-06-19 Thread Brian LeRoux
create a new account), just like Github's system. >> >> My fork of Allura has been stuck at "analyzing" (in the left sidebar) >> for a while and I can't find where to send a merge request yet in the >> UI from my forked repo, so I can't evaluate

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