Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread James Saxe
On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote: On 6/21/2013 4:08 PM, James Saxe wrote: As callers we can aim both to keep the amount of confusion low and to set a gracious tone towards whatever confusion may still arise. (Doing the opposite of both these things is unfortunately easy: Just

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread Kalia Kliban
On 6/21/2013 4:08 PM, James Saxe wrote: As callers we can aim both to keep the amount of confusion low and to set a gracious tone towards whatever confusion may still arise. (Doing the opposite of both these things is unfortunately easy: Just pick inappropriate dances, teach and call them poorl

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread James Saxe
On Jun 21, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Alan Winston wrote: ..., a phenomenon I've noticed several times over the years is that some fraction of people who were in a beginner workshop and who in the walkthrough of the dance were able to do something like "women chain to partner, women allemande 1x, p

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread Alan Winston
On 6/21/2013 3:03 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote: I run into this periodically as well, and haven't found a way to verbally interrupt whatever's going on in their heads. It may be that they're so overloaded that further verbal info just can't get in. I've had some success with going onto the floor and

[Callers] Re Beneficial Tradition

2013-06-21 Thread John Sweeney
Carol asked about Beneficial Tradition. You can hear it being taught at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvB0RCB-QIw You can see the instructions at http://dancevideos.childgrove.org/contra/contra-modern/245-beneficial-tr adition But please note that in the video at that site the dancers are lea

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread Kalia Kliban
On 6/21/2013 1:44 PM, John Sweeney wrote: Alan said, "I continue to prompt the figures, maybe with more emphasis - Ladies CHAIN and COURTESY TURN - and it doesn't seem to make any difference." _ If they are having problems then I get them to practice the courtesy turn: "Ladies, stand beside your

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread Kalia Kliban
On 6/21/2013 12:52 PM, Alan Winston wrote: My hypothesis is that these are people who are still drinking from the firehose. I _love_ this image. (The first time you come you hear everything important about contra dancing and probably get exposed to half or more of the common figures. It's a

Re: [Callers] Callers Digest, Vol 106, Issue 26

2013-06-21 Thread Ryan Smith
Choreography and a video of me calling Beneficial Tradition is here: http://dancevideos.childgrove.org/contra/contra-modern/245-beneficial-tradition I've found the best way to keep people oriented during "the zipper" is to have them keep hands for the previous pull-by while they figure out who th

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread John Sweeney
Alan said, "I continue to prompt the figures, maybe with more emphasis - Ladies CHAIN and COURTESY TURN - and it doesn't seem to make any difference." If there are only lady first-timers I just tell them to walk straight ahead going right-left and let all the experienced men lead them though the m

Re: [Callers] Callers Digest, Vol 106, Issue 26

2013-06-21 Thread Carol Fey
Could someone share the Beneficial Tradition dance mentioned below--either the dance itself or a link? - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 2:10 PM Subject: Callers Digest, Vol 106, Issue 26 Send Callers mailing list submissions to call...@sharedweight.net T

Re: [Callers] Do Si Do 1+1/2 (was Tampering with a classic again 3-33-33)

2013-06-21 Thread Perry Shafran
I don't see a problem with changing the moves slightly for the crowd.  I know that some folks believe that the dance is just fine written as-is, and if it's too difficult call something else.  I don't think that's fair.  The L allemande left I don't think is any more awkward than the usual allem

Re: [Callers] Do Si Do 1+1/2 (was Tampering with a classic again 3-33-33)

2013-06-21 Thread Grant Goodyear
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Ron Blechner wrote: > I often change dances that end with DSD N 1.5x to Next N > To > Pass thru, DSD Next N > for this very reason. > If the lead-in is a circle, I'm partial to: Bal ring Pass thru I've cheated the end of Carol Ormand's "You can't get there

Re: [Callers] Left Hand High, Right Hand Low into a Swing

2013-06-21 Thread Ron Blechner
Neat dance! Thanks for passing this along! On Jun 21, 2013 5:32 AM, "John Sweeney" wrote: > Hi Ron, > Thanks for "Ants Marching" - looks like a fun dance. > > The smooth arch-into-swing move is an old one. It occurs in > dances like: > > = = = = = = = = = = > > Promenade A Trois

[Callers] Do Si Do 1+1/2 (was Tampering with a classic again 3-33-33)

2013-06-21 Thread Ron Blechner
Depending on dance kinematics, music tempo, and crowd, naturally, but... I can't be the only one who thinks do si do 1.5 times is often too rushed for most new dancers? I often change dances that end with DSD N 1.5x to Next N To Pass thru, DSD Next N for this very reason. In dance, Ron Blechner

Re: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread Perry Shafran
My view is to just not sweat it.  I realize at the very start that many new dancers don't have the CPU to process too much stuff - especially if you are burdening them not only new dance moves but also terminology that they have never heard before as well.  If such moves are not breaking down th

Re: [Callers] "Loop Di Doo" (was Re: Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33)

2013-06-21 Thread Ron Blechner
Hi Jim? Yeah. That's originally what I was aiming for; I've danced contra dances where they are used as a down-the-hall turnaroynd. The Loop Di Doo differs in that instead of a turnaround move, it leads into a swing as a continuation of the move. Actually, if Forward Six changed hands the gent lif

[Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures

2013-06-21 Thread Alan Winston
Gang -- Wasn't really sure of the subject line, but thought I might as well not say "memetic entrapment" because who would want to read it? Anyway, a phenomenon I've noticed several times over the years is that some fraction of people who were in a beginner workshop and who in the walkthroug

Re: [Callers] Spanish Waltz

2013-06-21 Thread Alan Winston
On 6/21/2013 6:56 AM, John Sweeney wrote: Paul described the Spanish Waltz: = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 1-16) w/ P F & B, then inside hand (same hand) to N for CA twirl (4 m.) w/ N F & B, " inside hand to P for CA twirl (4 m.) w/ P F & B " " " to N

Re: [Callers] 3,33-33

2013-06-21 Thread Mac Mckeever
Whle that is a fun part of these dances - I don't think that is what makes them memorable and so popular.  As Michael said - there are lots of dances that do the and I can only think of a couple - probably because they don't have that something extra that makes them memorable Mac ___

Re: [Callers] 3,33-33

2013-06-21 Thread Michael Fuerst
3-33-33 is not the only such dance.   Michael Fuerst      802 N Broadway      Urbana IL 61801   217-239-5844 From: George Mercer To: Mac Mckeever ; Caller's discussion list Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Callers] 3,33-33 Could the p

Re: [Callers] 3,33-33

2013-06-21 Thread George Mercer
Could the popularity have something to do with dancing with multiple neighbors and coming back to your original neighbor? On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Mac Mckeever wrote: > My theory is that 3-33-33, much like Beneficial Tradition, besides being > wonderfully arranged, contains a unique an

Re: [Callers] Spanish Waltz

2013-06-21 Thread Paul Wilde
John, Mea culpa. I stand corrected on the terminology, which I ruefully reconsidered after posting. Pt. taken. Thanks, Paul

Re: [Callers] Spanish Waltz

2013-06-21 Thread John Sweeney
Paul described the Spanish Waltz: = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 1-16) w/ P F & B, then inside hand (same hand) to N for CA twirl (4 m.) w/ N F & B, " inside hand to P for CA twirl (4 m.) w/ P F & B " " " to N for CA twirl (4 m.) w/ N F & B "

Re: [Callers] 3-33-33-33-33-33-33

2013-06-21 Thread Ryan Smith
Out of a post-swing position (Man on Left, Lady on Right) the man's partner can give weight and assistance for him to go into an allemande Left, similarly the ladies partner can help her into an allemande Right. That's not really true for the Man doing an Allemande R or the lady doing an Allemande

[Callers] 3-33-33-33-33-33-33

2013-06-21 Thread Tom Hinds
Bob Isaacs wrote Sorry, Dave and Chris, but I have to disagree with you on the ladies allemande L 1 1/2. Sure, it leaves the R hand free for the new N, but going from the long lines to that allemande is awkward for the ladies. Just curious Bob why you say it's awkward for the ladies to g

Re: [Callers] Left Hand High, Right Hand Low into a Swing

2013-06-21 Thread John Sweeney
Hi Ron, Thanks for "Ants Marching" - looks like a fun dance. The smooth arch-into-swing move is an old one. It occurs in dances like: = = = = = = = = = = Promenade A Trois Trios; facing AC in Circle - Man in Middle A1: Promenade B1: Man: Left Hand High, Right Hand Low: D

Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classic again 3-33-33

2013-06-21 Thread Paul Wilde
In *Cracking Chestnuts* by David Smuckler & David Millstone, there is a humorous and most enlightening history of the evolution of Money Musk which runs 12 pages. While I completely respect the authors original intent and choreography, I do agree that there is room for variation when the need aris

[Callers] Dancing in the Heat

2013-06-21 Thread Paul Wilde
Esteemed colleagues, 2 weeks ago I called my first "period' event, a Civil War Ball for teens & their parents, most new to dancing, nearly all dressed in amazing costumes. It was a good night, with about 50 dancers attending. The highlight of the evening came during the last called dance, The Sp