Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-26 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Nuwan Bandara nu...@wso2.com wrote: I think the problems are really clear and crystal. The biggest is the devlopment effort. Then I get this question of why does it need to go though a server side component at all for many cases, where the browser can do it

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-26 Thread Nuwan Bandara
Hi On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.comwrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Nuwan Bandara nu...@wso2.com wrote: I think the problems are really clear and crystal. The biggest is the devlopment effort. Then I get this question of why does it need to go

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-19 Thread Samisa Abeysinghe
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Nuwan Bandara nu...@wso2.com wrote: Hi Samisa, On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote: And the reality is that not all products want a dashboard as part of the management console. Dashboard is more useful with monitoring

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-19 Thread Nuwan Bandara
Hi Samisa, On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Nuwan Bandara nu...@wso2.com wrote: Hi Samisa, On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote: And the reality is that not all products want a

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-18 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
Nuwan what I meant is that its a dependency any product team can choose to take .. rather than it being in the core. I agree if users have to install extra features no one will use it! Sanjiva. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Nuwan Bandara nu...@wso2.com wrote: Hi all, Yes I do understand

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-18 Thread Samisa Abeysinghe
And the reality is that not all products want a dashboard as part of the management console. Dashboard is more useful with monitoring and better fits in products like BAM. Note that, even in BAM, the main dashboard is not that useful with many tabs loaded for different views. I usually use the

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-18 Thread Samisa Abeysinghe
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com wrote: And the reality is that not all products want a dashboard as part of the management console. Dashboard is more useful with monitoring and better fits in products like BAM. Note that, even in BAM, the main dashboard

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-18 Thread Nuwan Bandara
Hi Samisa, On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com wrote: And the reality is that not all products want a dashboard as part of the management console. Dashboard is more useful with monitoring and better fits in products like BAM. Note that, even in BAM, the main

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-17 Thread Nuwan Bandara
Hi On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.comwrote: +1 for keeping the size small and for using P2 properly. Nuwan, aren't we already using the dashboard component in (almost) all products already? If so this is not a net increase in size but simply enabling

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-17 Thread Nuwan Bandara
Hi all, Yes I do understand that most products still dont have a clear vision of having a dashboard in their products. But I do believe the ability to embed gadgets in any of the pages will come in handy in many cases. With this feature even AS uses can create WebApps that can embed gadgets and

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-17 Thread Kasun Indrasiri
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Hiranya Jayathilaka hira...@wso2.comwrote: Right now the ground reality is, not many products use the dashboard stuff. Also AFAIK many products currently don't have a clear vision on how to integrate a dashboard into the product UIs. For instance, ESB 3.0.1

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-17 Thread Nuwan Bandara
Hi Kasun, On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Kasun Indrasiri ka...@wso2.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Hiranya Jayathilaka hira...@wso2.comwrote: Right now the ground reality is, not many products use the dashboard stuff. Also AFAIK many products currently don't have a clear

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-16 Thread Afkham Azeez
I don't like the distribution size being increased. Sent from my phone On Sep 16, 2011 9:30 PM, Tharindu Mathew thari...@wso2.com wrote: ___ Carbon-dev mailing list Carbon-dev@wso2.org http://mail.wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/carbon-dev

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-16 Thread Afkham Azeez
We will have to think about how to properly implement this, but I'm sure it can be done. Sent from my phone On Sep 16, 2011 10:13 PM, Nuwan Bandara nu...@wso2.com wrote: Hi Azeez, On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote: -1 to increasing the distribution size.

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-16 Thread Afkham Azeez
Please note that I would like to see some other modules which are in carbon core also moved out. So, please don't add anything new. Sent from my phone On Sep 16, 2011 11:51 PM, az...@wso2.com wrote: We will have to think about how to properly implement this, but I'm sure it can be done.

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-16 Thread Nuwan Bandara
Hi On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote: We will have to think about how to properly implement this, but I'm sure it can be done. +1, architecture review/discussion ? Regards, /Nuwan Sent from my phone On Sep 16, 2011 10:13 PM, Nuwan Bandara

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-16 Thread Nuwan Bandara
Hi Tharindu, On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Tharindu Mathew thari...@wso2.com wrote: Nuwan, can we make this available to whoever has the dashboard feature without increasing the core size? Can be done, but not sure if that actually achieve our objective. my-idea was to push this feature

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-16 Thread Afkham Azeez
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Nuwan Bandara nu...@wso2.com wrote: Hi Tharindu, On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Tharindu Mathew thari...@wso2.comwrote: Nuwan, can we make this available to whoever has the dashboard feature without increasing the core size? Can be done, but not sure if

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-16 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
+1 for keeping the size small and for using P2 properly. Nuwan, aren't we already using the dashboard component in (almost) all products already? If so this is not a net increase in size but simply enabling gadgets to be used in any page without having to have the entire page be full of gadgets

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-16 Thread Afkham Azeez
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.comwrote: +1 for keeping the size small and for using P2 properly. Nuwan, aren't we already using the dashboard component in (almost) all products already? If so this is not a net increase in size but simply enabling gadgets

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-16 Thread Tharindu Mathew
So my +1 was for this feature (note the comments). Not the inclusion of this to core UI. That was probably miscommunicated. I'm also -1 for including this in the core. Well, right now only BAM has heavy use of gadgets, with around 40+ gadgets. So, until gadgets are used heavily inside of all

Re: [Carbon-dev] [Architecture] Making Shindig apart of Carbon Core UI

2011-09-16 Thread Hiranya Jayathilaka
Right now the ground reality is, not many products use the dashboard stuff. Also AFAIK many products currently don't have a clear vision on how to integrate a dashboard into the product UIs. So until we get those issues sorted I don't think we should add this to the Carbon core. In the mean time