Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Ho Leung Ng
I recommend using an air-impermeable oil like Paratone over the hassle of capillaries. People often say that oil kills their crystals, but in my own experience, that rarely happens. I think it is more likely due to mishandling as working with oil does require some practice. Once you get used to it

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread van den Bedem, Henry
It¹s not just possible, but desirable! There¹s evidence that conformational ensembles can be accessed in RT crystallography data, but that these are frozen out in cryo data (aforementioned Fraser et al., Accessing protein conformational ensembles using room-temperature X-ray crystallography. PNAS,

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Engin Özkan
On 2/6/14, 10:32 AM, Thomas, Leonard M. wrote: Finally as an observation over the years the art of mounting a crystal for a room temperature or 4 C shot is a dying art. I am not firmly convince the Mitogen mounts work really well, I have always had better luck with a capillary. That just may

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Thomas, Leonard M.
Room temperature data collection Clearly, it is always possible to do non-cryogenic data collection simply by not using a cryogenic cooling device and mounting crystals so that they do not dehydrate or dry out. I've been doing quite a lot of room temperature data collection lately becau

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Jim Pflugrath
...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 9:43 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection To answer Mark's question, if your crystals are capillary mounted then planes are no problem. My protocol is to mount them, wrap them in cotton batting, put them

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Katherine Sippel
To answer Mark's question, if your crystals are capillary mounted then planes are no problem. My protocol is to mount them, wrap them in cotton batting, put them in a 50 ml falcon tube, and pack that in bubble wrap. I managed to get them through security in my carry-on with no issues. I suggest usi

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread David Flot
Dear Therese, Yes, it is possible. If you want to collect data without cryo device on an ESRF beam line (ID23 or ID29, all equipped with PILATUS now), you need to remove 3 screws to remove the cryo device... We have as well 2 HC1 dehumidifiers which can be used on BM14 (which is equiped with a

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Keller, Jacob
I wonder whether flash-cooling from -10 degC would preserve those low mosaicity values? JPK From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of mesters Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:40 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread mesters
Hello Theresa, long time ago, we were having severe problems freezing crystals of a human carboxypeptidase (GCPII). At room temperature and at 4 degrees celcius (capillary mounted), we could only collect 2 to 3 images at X13 in Hamburg and that was it (we h

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Enrico Stura
Dear all, Thermal motion reduction and lower radiation damage are reasons for improved data associated with low temperature data collection. The liquid to glass transition of the solvent allows us to have a better idea of the hydration shell around the protein. This is something that room t

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Jim Pflugrath
Clearly, it is always possible to do non-cryogenic data collection simply by not using a cryogenic cooling device and mounting crystals so that they do not dehydrate or dry out. I've been doing quite a lot of room temperature data collection lately because in the home lab we can SAD-phase lysoz

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Mark J van Raaij
on a related matter, what are current experiences with taking crystals at room temperature by plane? (we are interested in trying the HC1 at a synchrotron but the closest are at ESRF, which is quite a drive or train-ride from Madrid) Mark J van Raaij Lab 20B Dpto de Estructura de Macromoleculas

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread ferrer
Dear Enrico, It is true that, on our beamline (FIP, at the ESRF), in situ (RT) is mostly used for screening. But there is a fraction of cases where freezing, and crystal handling, induces too much degradation. In these cases, RT experiment is a real alternative. In addition, data at room temp

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 HI J, do modern synchrotrons overcome the increase of thermal motion with increasing temperature? Isn't this the main reason data are better when collected at low temperature? Radiation damage is one reason for sure, but not really the main reason. ;-

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread ferrer
Dear Theresa, We offer the possibility for data collection at room temperature on our beamline, FIP-BM30A at the ESRF, for many years. It's really routine now (see http://www.fip-bm30a.fr/). Data are collected in situ, on the crystallization plate, thanks to the robotized system we developed f

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread James Foadi
Dear Enrico, "almost always it will be possible to achieve  better diffraction using cryogenic data collection." I would say "almost always until now". Times change, instrumentation improves and data collection techniques are becoming cunning. It's right time people start exploring the new poss

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Enrico Stura
Dear Joern and other BBers, While I fully agree that it is important to test a few images at room temperature, to know the crystal's potential, I think that almost always it will be possible to achieve better diffraction using cryogenic data collection. Those rare cases, as the one you menti

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Marco Mazzorana
Hi Theresa, Diamond Light Source currently offers this capability at all of its beamlines (all equipped with Pilatus detectors). This can be performed either standard pins under controlled humidity conditions, via the HC1 (Sanchez-Weatherby et al. *Acta Cryst.* (2009). D *65*, 1237-1246 http://scri

Re: [ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Joern Krausze
Dear Theresa, We recently collected a room temperature data set from one single crystal at Petra III. The beam line was equipped with a Pilatus detector. Data were good to 2.7 A. In contrast, at 100 K similar crystals diffracted very poorly. So, it is perfectly possible to obtain useful room te

[ccp4bb] Room temperature data collection

2014-02-06 Thread Theresa Hsu
Dear crystallographers Just out of curiosity, is it possible to collect datasets from crystals at room temperature at synchrotron? Are fast detectors like Pilatus useful for this? Thank you. Theresa