[ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised: summary

2008-07-07 Thread Derek Logan
Hi, Many thanks to all who replied to my enquiry about the weakest protein- protein complex crystallised. The idea that crystals themselves are weak complexes had already crossed my mind and I was glad to hear it confirmed by others. My impression is that there are no hard and fast rules,

Re: [ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised

2008-07-01 Thread Philippe DUMAS
De : Filip Van Petegem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, June 30, 2008 9:01 PM À : Philippe DUMAS Cc : CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Objet : Re: [ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised Hi, we've had a similar situation: a protein-peptide complex with a Kd in the nM range

Re: [ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised

2008-06-30 Thread Filip Van Petegem
Hello John, No, they're not. Crystals were obtained at pH8.0, 200mM NaCl; 10% PEG4000. Calorimetric experiments were done at pH7.4, 150mM KCl. We found the interaction to be driven mainly by hydrophobic contacts (mutants of polar/charged residues have no significant effect on the affinity). I

Re: [ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised

2008-06-30 Thread Filip Van Petegem
ed > > > "contaminants". This is exactly the order of magnitude mentioned by Ed > > > Pozharski: a single additional H-bond is enough to account for 2 > kcal/mol > > > ! And apparently this may be enough to win against "biological > > >

Re: [ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised

2008-06-30 Thread Jens T. Kaiser
omparable > > to crystallization in living cell... > > > > I hope this story makes sense in the frame of this discussion. > > > > Philippe Dumas > > IBMC-CNRS, UPR9002 > > 15, rue René Descartes 67084 Strasbourg cedex > > tel: +33 (0)3 88 41 70 02 &

Re: [ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised

2008-06-30 Thread Filip Van Petegem
PROTECTED] > > -Message d'origine- > De : CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Ed > Pozharski > Envoyé : Monday, June 30, 2008 4:50 PM > À : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Objet : Re: [ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised > > > T

Re: [ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised

2008-06-30 Thread Philippe DUMAS
o:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Ed Pozharski Envoyé : Monday, June 30, 2008 4:50 PM À : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Objet : Re: [ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised The word "weak" is, of course, relative. Free energy of crystallization is roughly 1-2 kcal/mole of crystal conta

Re: [ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised

2008-06-30 Thread Loris Remy
There are quite a number of structures homodimers and homotetramers in the PDB where the dissociation constant is known to be in the millimolar range. For example the dimerizaion of a humainized antibody VHH domain that mimicks a VH-VL complex (Conrath et al. J. Mol. Biol. (2005) 350, 112–125).

Re: [ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised

2008-06-30 Thread Ed Pozharski
The word "weak" is, of course, relative. Free energy of crystallization is roughly 1-2 kcal/mole of crystal contacts (I think I carried this number from Sir Blundell's book, but quick look at papers by Peter Vekilov's group seems to confirm it - am I wrong on this?). I think that crystal contacts

Re: [ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised

2008-06-30 Thread Patrick Loll
I hope this isn't too much of a foray into philosophy and semantics, but can't you argue that the crystals themselves are weak complexes? And since the energies of crystal contacts are typically very weak, I would further argue that you should be able to crystallize ANY complex with an asso

[ccp4bb] Weakest protein-protein complex crystallised

2008-06-29 Thread Derek Logan
Hi, Can anyone advise me what is currently the weakest protein-protein complex yet crystallised? Google searching turned up a paper from the Tromsø crystallography group (Helland et al. 1999, JMB 287, 923–942) in which a complex between beta-trypsin and a P1 mutant of BPTI with a Kd of 68